Complex's Best SB Dunk of All-Time Debate, Kobe 4 Blind Box Release & H Really Hates Jeff Staples

Ranked: Best SB Dunk collabs of all time! We debate Travis Scott, Jeff Staple & drop exclusive Drake stories on Ep. 50.

To celebrate our milestone 50th episode, the crew dives deep into the ultimate sneaker culture debate: what truly sparked the modern Nike SB Dunk revival? We unpack Complex’s controversial top sneaker rankings, dissecting heavyweights like the Diamond Supply Tiffany Dunks, Chunk Dunks, and the legendary Pigeon Dunks.

The conversation gets heated as we clash over the cultural impact of Travis Scott’s design language versus the foundational legacy of Jeff Staple. Is current sneaker marketing driven by genuine storytelling or pure artificial hype and manufactured scarcity on aftermarket platforms like StockX and Goat?

Along the way, we share exclusive, never-before-told industry stories from past music video collaborations with Drake, debate the design choices behind the Nike KD19 and signature basketball sneakers, and break down the wild evolution of early internet trolling from the golden eras of Xbox Live and vintage pop culture.

Time Stamps:

00:00 The Drake Industry Secret Exposed
01:20 The Streisand Effect & Drake's Self-Aware Marketing
02:16 Vintage Streetwear & Custom Fitted Hat Grails
04:11 The Truth About the Nike KD19 Design Collapse
07:32 Why Signature Basketball Shoes All Look the Same Now
10:56 The Drake Trilogy: Revenge Tour Albums Reviewed
14:19 Behind the Scenes: Directing Vintage Drake Music Videos
17:13 Trap Lore Ross vs DJ Akademiks: The Street Code Debate
19:42 Taz's Angels & The Wild History of Premium Snapchat
24:14 A Mind-Blowing BBL and Breast Implant Horror Story
29:39 High-End Watch Collecting: Rolex Daytona vs luxury IWC
32:17 The Reality of High-Fashion Sneaker Collabs (Dior & LV)
34:04 Carmelo Anthony's Retired Jordan Melo M2 Re-Release
36:00 Ambush Air Force 1s & The Travis Scott Reverse Swoosh
38:00 Sneaker Hype: Travis Scott Pink Jordan 1 Low Rumors
40:11 Are Travis Scott Canary Lows His Worst Design Ever?
43:25 The Controversial Nike Kobe 4 Blind Box Draft Pack
47:39 The Legendary 1996 NBA Draft Class Retro Breakdown
51:46 The Sudden Death of Sneaker Pride Collections
54:21 Vintage TV Land Nostalgia: The Gilligan's Island Debate
58:48 Internet Gatekeeping & Handling Toxic Comment Sections
1:01:24 The Chaotic Golden Era of Xbox Live Trolling
1:02:40 Music History: Classic Rock Albums Fueled by Drugs
1:04:11 Why Drained Nike SB Dunks Are Flooding Marshalls
1:07:14 Betting Big on the Nigel Sylvester Air Jordan 4 RM
1:10:55 The Rise and Fall of In-Real-Life (IRL) Prank Content
1:12:54 Inside the Adult Entertainment Podcasting Boom
1:14:25 The Psychology of OnlyFans & Obscure Internet Clout
1:16:31 Why Talking Crazy on the Internet Carries Real Risk
1:19:27 A Wild Night in Lockup: Traffic Warrants & Court Bail
1:22:32 Navigating the Street Code vs Being a Proud Civilian
1:26:44 The Ultimate East Coast Bread Battle: Bagels vs Pretzels
1:30:15 Complex Top 25 Dunks List: The Roast Begins
1:32:27 The Spicy Take: Did Travis Scott Revive SB Dunk Culture?
1:35:28 How the Ben & Jerry's Chunky Dunky Changed Casual Style
1:38:55 Evaluating Keith Hufnagel's Iconic Nike Huff SB Pack
1:40:16 Unreleased Grails: The Freddy Krueger SB Dunk Mystery
1:42:03 Jeff Staple Pigeon Dunk: Number One or Overrated?
1:45:50 Are Classic Dunks Art Pieces or Meant for the Grass?
1:48:08 The Real Reason Diamond Supply Tiffany Dunks Hold Value
1:51:56 Exposing Jeff Staple: Marketing Genius or Culture Fraud?
1:55:00 The Great Resale Shift: Peak 2020 CoVID Sneaker Boom
1:57:56 The Fragment Jordan 1 Legacy: Where Hype Was Born
2:01:48 Underground Hip-Hop Analogies vs Mainstream Hype
2:05:07 Reverse Glazing: The Psychology of Internet Haters
2:08:44 Dissecting the Staple x Brooks Running Pigeon Collab
2:12:00 The Live Room Debate: Separating Art From the Artist
2:16:11 Live StockX Bidding: Fact-Checking Sneaker Prices
2:20:43 Live Pod Therapy Session: Unpacking Toxic Relationship Traits
2:25:27 Why Reddit Deeply Hates Our Podcast Style
2:29:40 Respecting Communication Boundaries in Content Teams
2:33:40 Launching a Reddit Sneaker AMA & Patreon Strategy

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:01

What a bunch of middle-aged people talk about shit that don't matter. Like, subscribe and share. Like and subscribe on YouTube. Leave a comment on all of our social medias. And if you're listening to this on the podcast platform, please leave a review. If it ain't five stars, it don't matter.

SPEAKER_03 0:21

Three, four. Oh yeah. Oh, you want to say you can say the episode.

SPEAKER_04 0:27

Oh, welcome back to the 12 hook podcast, episode 50. I didn't quit.

SPEAKER_03 0:32

He did not quit. He just didn't show up yesterday. And and I know Drew had commitments, but it was it was we had a good show. Uh, but this is officially episode 50. Um baby. The other two episodes I did with Show Me Petwari. Shout out to Show Me for coming through. Uh, he'll come through again, man. He's he's he he actually enjoyed being on the platform. And I think uh once he sees some of the clips that come out of this thing, we had a great three-hour conversation about everything. We hear some stories. We told a lot of Drake stories.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

Oh, I know you can't no one tuning into that shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:06

I mean, this is the greatest time to drop a Drake story. I mean, right now, yeah. We got uh Academics Jr. over here. Nah, I ain't glazing that bad, but it's cool to glaze now, apparently. That's what that's what they're saying, and KD's saying it.

SPEAKER_04 1:20

Lean into the bit, bro. Like, lean into it. If you fight against it, it's the streis and effect, it's only gonna make it more prominent. So now is the time. One thing I'll say about Drake a lot of times with his like promotional stuff, like the Apple Music commercial with Taylor Swift and the uh what's that video he filmed on Nike campus? He'll he'll make fun of himself at times.

SPEAKER_03 1:46

Laugh now, cry later, or whatever. There we go. That's my joint. Free Little Dirk. I don't say shaking his head. He's just like, you know, we need more of them colors locked up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:04

Free little dirt. Wow. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 2:08

Wow. Oh man. I miss Drew. That's what happens to the same. I haven't had a good jab at Drew in a minute. It's been a while.

SPEAKER_01 2:16

Yep, I had the Kanye hat on today. I took it off. I was like, What? I I put it on without even thinking. Was it a free Larry David hat or something? It was the Hoover Shop now hat.

SPEAKER_03 2:29

Larry David. I said free Larry David. Larry Hoover?

SPEAKER_01 2:33

What the fuck is Larry Hoover?

SPEAKER_03 2:35

Oh, he's a big drug dealer in the show. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. They got a free 'em. I thought you was an ally. Yeah. Apparently wants to keep little Dirk locked up. Even though, you know, he set up a hit on what kind of hat do you own?

SPEAKER_01 2:54

Oh, it's a college dropout hat. It's got the bear. Ah, you know what? That was my first game. Yeah. So I couldn't wear it though.

SPEAKER_03 3:03

Is it like an OG or like a one of those things you buy on Instagram?

SPEAKER_01 3:07

It's like a Fidelity, you know, the company Fidelity. They make kind of custom hats.

SPEAKER_03 3:12

Oh, oh, it's a custom thing. Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_01 3:15

It's not, I mean, it was produced. It's not a one-off. So I don't know. Oh, I still like that. I like any hat that's got a pink underbrim pause. So like the old hat. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:26

Yo, dog, those those any of the 2020 pink underbrims with the um from Hat Club worth Fuku bucks. All of mine are.

SPEAKER_04 3:37

Hat club had a game in a chokehold during the pandemic. Dog.

SPEAKER_03 3:42

I got too many hats. I like I wear them. I only wore them on a podcast. What'd you say? Really?

SPEAKER_01 3:48

Oh man, I'm in that. Yeah, you can't have too many hats. I probably have I don't know. Uh at least 300 fitted. At least.

SPEAKER_03 3:58

That's crazy. That's almost as many shoes. And you got like what 600 shoes? 6,000 shoes? Yeah, something like that.

SPEAKER_04 4:06

66,000.

SPEAKER_03 4:09

Yeah. Somewhere in the middle. This is great. Like, so his his glazing video for the Katie, what is it, 18?

SPEAKER_04 4:15

19.

SPEAKER_03 4:16

19? Um I'm not gonna play it here. I don't want to get a copyright, but it was funny.

SPEAKER_05 4:26

Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 4:27

Did you watch it? I did. I thought it was funny, but it's it's doing something that's unacceptable as a male in culture. Now don't call I maybe I'm old school. And Drew, you and me grew up at the same time, around the same time. You're a little older than me, of course. But always gotta point it out.

SPEAKER_01 4:44

Always gotta throw that shade.

SPEAKER_03 4:46

Throw the obvious. But but that shit wasn't cool. Like, I mean, like, it it's cool to praise your man's when he does something good, right? Like, oh shit, you won the chip, cool. High five. Don't be like glazed, oh shit, you you just you know, you whatever whatever Drake was doing in that shit, he might as well just put the whole dick in the mouth. Pause. The whole um the hole.

SPEAKER_04 5:09

I kind of for a second, the idea of it though, not to say Spike was glazing back then, but it kind of gave like a Mars Blackman vibe with the old Jordan ads. The only problem with this one for me, the KD19 sucks. Facts.

SPEAKER_03 5:27

I like it. Kind of reminds me of a little cross between a uh uh Anthony Edwards and uh and a Shay.

SPEAKER_05 5:35

Yo, how many how many KD19s you own?

SPEAKER_03 5:38

I don't own any. Oh, I don't like retro KD. Exactly. But I don't wear any of them either.

SPEAKER_04 5:43

So they're like hyperflights. It's like every KD for the last couple years has been I don't know what's up with Nike with their signature athletes. Everything's got a cosplay, something from the heyday. The Booker had that run where everything was based off a shoe that from his past, the 95s, the Spiritons, and with the KDs, what the 18 was like a Humara. Uh the 17s were modeled after another shoe, and even the colorways. He had that air bacon colorway, he had the phone positive inspired colorways. Like to do that every once in a while to do that for P is cool, but their shoes just looking like other shoes that they made is getting real tired.

SPEAKER_03 6:32

Yeah, it's cool, it's a performance basketball shoe. We'll see what happens.

SPEAKER_04 6:38

But the at a commercial happen, man, under retail outlet specials, like I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

That colorway maybe. This hat is weird.

SPEAKER_01 6:47

I don't know. I feel like he just don't carry any hype. Not like they used to.

SPEAKER_04 6:53

Yeah, even his retros are like meh. Everyone was excited for the six. Then they dropped the peanut butter and jelly, they dropped the all-star colorway, and then they kind of like fizzled out. Like, I don't see no plans for other KD6 releases coming out besides the Christmas ones. And I'm like, of all the KD6s that came out that had my generation that's slightly younger in a grip, I'm like, this is it. Maybe it's for the better. I don't know. I don't work with Nike anymore. So I think I don't know what's going on in Oregon.

SPEAKER_03 7:32

Yeah. Well, we'll see. I just didn't think the video, I mean the the video, the I mean the commercial was funny. It was great marketing, I'll give you that much. And Drake's a good sport for doing shit like this. But I feel like he's doing that whole MM tactic of just saying, hey, this is what's wrong of me. I'm a loser. I'm this and that. I'm not good with women. I let guys call me pedophile or whatever. And as much as I um admire his art, I feel like he's a little bit too um as he's gotten older, or and maybe I don't know, he's just a little I don't know what's the word. Can't use the corny corny corny is look, LO Cool J's corny, but it's cool. You know what I mean? I always thought LO Cool J was cool, even though he's like corny. He says some corny ass shit in his music, you know, his demeanor around you know, you know what I'm saying. Like he'll say something. Remember, you remember that song Pink Cookies in a plastic bag?

unknown 8:26

What?

SPEAKER_03 8:26

Fucking I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? It's all these, and then he had uh one of my favorite songs, Hollis to Hollywood. You uh go listen, it's off of his 1995 Mr. Smith album. Hollis to Hollywood is like the corniest fucking song. All he's doing is metaphors and about movies and stuff. Milky. He said my balls are hairy like the Lion King. Yeah, Milky Cereal. He said my balls are hairy like the Lion King. Like just corny shit like that.

SPEAKER_01 8:52

You cannot, I don't care. Yo, LL can say anything. He can sing the phone book, he rapped the phone book.

SPEAKER_03 8:58

Cool. Drake says corny shit and you kind of cringe. That's the problem here with me.

SPEAKER_04 9:04

But but I don't, you know, the I I think it's I think it's just as you get older, and plus LL Koo Jay, when he was rapping before my time, it was new. You know what I'm saying? There was no the barrier for entry was lower because he was one of the people that was entering the gate. Now, I guess with decades of hip-hop history and Drake's superstar status, because Drake can make some bangers, Drake can say some bars, whether people want to argue if he wrote them or not. But when he when he comes out with something that's like you notice it, and I think it's because the spotlight is so fixated on him. Everyone's whether you love them, hate them, or indifferent, you have baited breath to be like, all right, three albums worth of music, let's hear it. And then you hear a certain line go oof, or you'll be like, you'll hear pussy's clicking up, and then he'll call future. And I'm like, wait, wasn't that that was just clicking up? So it's it's it's calculated because the man spent two hours trying to move the pieces on the board, and he moved them, he's out of his contract. No, he's not. I mean, that's not that's speculation. Nobody's uh that's not official here. I don't know. I think releasing three albums at once is a part, hey, thank y'all for waiting. And also, fuck you, um G. After this whole thing.

SPEAKER_03 10:29

He could be saying that, or it could be like they about to give me two Billy. You know, that might it could be anything because UMG's going through some some changes and they don't have any real marquee artists, but that's a whole other thing. He does. I mean, look, for him to go independent would just break the whole game, music game. Like it's it's it's crazy. Uh but actually, that's a good segue. What what did you think of the the trilogy of albums?

SPEAKER_04 10:55

I'm gonna be a hundred with you. Having gotten through, not because I'm not interested, uh I'm working. I haven't been busy as yet, right? Yeah, I haven't delved into let alone music, even like sneaker stuff. Like same here. If it hasn't been thrown all over my feed, like the Nigel's brick after brick, brick after that. I can't tell you anything that stayed in my mind outside of what I have to do to survive in this current climate that we live.

SPEAKER_01 11:29

Facts.

SPEAKER_04 11:30

Like, I want to listen to the projects because I pay every month for a streaming service, so yeah, I want to take advantage of it. But it's just yeah, as you get older scientifically, your brain has a hard time getting getting into new stuff. And when I see three albums dropping at once, and that's just from Drake, because other people are still dropping stuff too. You go, shit, I actually have to sit down. Plus, he has a point to prove with this one, so I just don't want to have it on in the background and miss a reference or this or a bar. So I'm just like, when I get some time, luckily it's Memorial Day weekend, yeah, and we can follow back up on this next week because I'm excited to follow up on it. I want to get into the trilogy, the revenge tour.

SPEAKER_03 12:21

Yeah, I enjoy it.

SPEAKER_04 12:23

Michael Jordan, I'm back moment.

SPEAKER_03 12:25

I I haven't gotten through Iceman. I went through pretty thoroughly. Now I'm picked out my favorite songs. I'm gonna try to, you know, be able to sing them in the car. Habib T, I just started listening to today. I love it for like the RB-ish stuff. And the other album, which I heard is the best of the three, I haven't even gotten to yet. And I'm I'm sure Drew, you'd listen to all of them back to the stuff. What's the third one? Made of honor.

SPEAKER_01 12:53

I don't love I'm not a huge Drake fan, so no. I haven't listened to any of it.

SPEAKER_03 12:58

Damn.

unknown 12:59

Damn.

SPEAKER_03 13:00

Sorry. It's alright. I don't think you made the music for you. Made it for Kendrick. I'm not saying it racists. Oh no, no. I think it's just you have to be a Drake. I know you're not like a Drake fan, so I don't think it's like it's like one of those things where you don't if you're not checking for it, it's just gonna be cat. And you weren't excited for the whole whole like um moment. That's what got me, because I don't get excited for music, even Drake music releases. This brought me back to like 2009 and 2010, whenever his debuts and all that stuff. Like, being you know, that that I was a little closer to him in those moments as a as a person, you know, personality and friend or whatever. But when I got through, you know, after that, a lot of his music it resonated still, but more from a fan perspective, this has got me more excited than Thank Me Later because I didn't I didn't get to hear Thank Me Later until it came out. Not that it was his best album or anything like that, but it was a moment, you know what I'm saying? For me, because as a person who wasn't anticipated, as a person who was close to the movement, now it's like from a distance as a fan before forgotten.

SPEAKER_04 14:08

If anybody on Reddit or Instagram calls you a glazer and all of that, this man has professionally worked with Drake. I just want to put that in a context because I can see the comments now. I don't think that's why I don't talk about Drake. He don't know Drake, like he actually does.

SPEAKER_03 14:24

I don't, you know, it's funny, I don't bring it up on the pod like that or talk about it. But like when I when I did the other, which will come out soon, the thing I do with Show Me Pituari, shout out to him. We got stories because we both worked with him. He you know, he did some work with him, and we were we we grew close. We did the two music videos with him, and I did some stuff. So it's like I you know, working with him back then versus now is totally different. Same personality in a sense, but the music has evolved to this, where he's kind of this this like angry, bitter incel playboy type of scenario. Does that make sense? And I'm not that's not even an insult. Like I think it's like intriguing because you're all these things, you're like the angry man who thinks he doesn't who's not getting any pussy. At the same time, you're saying you're getting all the pussy, and then at the at the next time, you know what I mean? And and all you just you're just in this like weird category of human being, and I this this album encompasses that Iceman encompasses that. It's not it's not a typical introspective, retrospective, whatever you want to say, album from Drake. Because like that was like so far gone, or or nothing was the same. We're just talking about his his ascension. This is like I've ascended and I don't give a fuck anymore, and I'm telling y'all that. And then he says, fuck everybody else. Fuck Kendrick. Okay, and then he drops these RB and and techno albums and shit alongside it, and everything is just like uh it's crazy. I I loved it. You know, the rollouts were cool, all the little social media moments. It it got me excited for a first time in a long time about an album.

SPEAKER_01 16:03

Uh, I just I mean, I won't turn it off if it comes on, but I haven't been listening much. I've been bored with music lately.

SPEAKER_03 16:10

You gotta listen to something, man.

SPEAKER_01 16:11

I think I've been on the podcast tip.

SPEAKER_03 16:14

So yeah. Well, I'm telling you that if you're in the mood to just trying to just discover something new, I think this will open your ears up a little more to Drake because at least the other two albums might, if you're into like RB and different sounds, uh they're smoother.

SPEAKER_01 16:28

I make some babies to it, like for real.

SPEAKER_03 16:31

Oh, I mean, if you're trying to hook up with a stripper or something.

SPEAKER_01 16:34

Hook up with Cherokee.

SPEAKER_03 16:36

I don't know, cat cattle, you know what I'm saying? Tell him, tell him to go bend over. Didn't he do like a shout-out to Cherokee and all the OGs in the game? Yeah, he did it, man. He brought it back. He said he yo, yo, um, what's his name's Angels? What the fuck was they called? This is 2010s. Um, not something. Uh what the fuck were they called?

SPEAKER_01 16:58

Not Charlie's Angels.

SPEAKER_03 17:02

Uh let me go. Let me go to good old Trap Laura Ross.

SPEAKER_04 17:06

Uh, I didn't know who that was until this year after David allegedly killed that girl.

SPEAKER_03 17:13

You know Trap Lore Ross? The white boy.

SPEAKER_04 17:16

Yeah, I started watching his coverage of the David case, and then I was like, hey man, that mess with this guy. Yeah, he does all the uh Trapmore guying. It's your guy, Trap Ross coming at you with another update on the divert.

SPEAKER_03 17:30

They say he's like uh like um the more like DJ Vlad. You know what I mean? Like uh like cultural appropriator type.

SPEAKER_04 17:37

Like damn, what'd you call him?

SPEAKER_03 17:39

He's a basic white DJ academics.

SPEAKER_04 17:42

I don't know. I don't want to punch him in the face. That's all DJ academics in the street. I'm telling you right now. You don't like DJ Academics? Man, no, he's an embarrassment to himself, to his mother, to all the people that say his last name, to his hood, if he's even from one. He built like a fucking stack of play-doh left in the sun, and he is a professional cocksucker. I hate that nigga, bro. The long way. And I'm taking that chain and I'm wearing it on a podcast. I don't care if you like Kendrick or like Drake, Pump DJ Academics officially endorsed on the 12 Hub Podcast by me. I don't speak for my co-host, but that chubby chin, goofy ass, raccoon-eyed ass, goofy nigga.

SPEAKER_03 18:38

He's entertaining. I don't, I don't, I don't like him, but he's entertaining. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, wait, I just look up the lyrics to that fucking song. That's what he he what's his name? Um Drake and Dream Drake. I'm still looking for this fucking whatever angels.

SPEAKER_04 18:53

I'm trying to figure out what the Angels thing was about.

SPEAKER_01 18:55

Yeah, like leaving us hanging. Yeah, I forgot the name. You're trying to get your uh listeners to retention here?

SPEAKER_03 19:04

Put a teaser out there. This is a mad pause. What is it? Uh is that a Virgil Eblo hat? Yeah, uh the package came in last week. I didn't buy the shoes. Couldn't get the shoes. Shout out to um the estate. Pardon? You want mine? Your shoes for free? Yeah, you done with them already? No, did you wear them already?

SPEAKER_04 19:27

Nah, I every time I say I'm gonna wear them today, I don't because I know how they're gonna age. And I hate to be one of those people like I bought a shoe and I didn't wear it. In the back of my mind, I'm like, bro, I know what these Alaska's gonna look like when they start wearing and tearing. They don't age well. Taz's Angels. What's that?

SPEAKER_03 19:50

That's the name of the thing. Yeah. Oh, so you never heard of Taz's you never heard of Taz's Angels? Drew? Never? Oh, so it's this is like in the early 2010s. It was basically you remember that song from that girl Kia, My Neck, My Back. Yeah, from back in the day, my pussy and my crack. Yep, yep, all that shit. So the the guy who produced that song became like a big ass club promoter and pimp basically in Miami. And he created this, he was the guy who created like this social media thing well uh with all these Instagram girls. He was like the the inventor of it. So he had all these girls in his house in this big mansion and shit, and they were doing content, putting it on like Snapchat and selling Snapchat. At that time, that was like OnlyFans before OnlyFans. You remember, you guys remember how Snapchat people used to just trade, like the girls used to go on there. Yo, before Snapchat became like they regulated this shit. Yo, I used when I first signed up for Snapchat, mad strippers and all types of shit used to just DM me naked shit. I'm like, what the fuck is going on?

SPEAKER_04 20:55

Premium only uh not only fans, but premium Snapchats.

SPEAKER_03 20:58

Yeah, you want to see more?

SPEAKER_04 21:00

Subscribe to my premium snap.

SPEAKER_03 21:01

Yo, dog. And then they just fed you that content. I was like, it's gone now. Uh because I don't stand. They need to bring it back. Snapchat might not be able to do it.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

Just go over to Kick.

SPEAKER_03 21:10

Kick? Kick got that? Maybe showing titties on kick?

SPEAKER_04 21:13

Kik is like YouTube before became monetizable. Kick is the wow wow west.

SPEAKER_03 21:19

Yo, Drew is like the most liberal person, but he'll go anywhere to see a titty. Like he'll go on kick and rumble.

SPEAKER_01 21:26

How does that make me what is so I'm liberal and I'll go see a titty?

SPEAKER_03 21:30

No, no, no. I mean like those platforms are notorious. Chud the builder was on Rumble and Kick. Mr. Chimp out. He's on kick, but the Drew Drew is scrolling right by Chud looking for titty.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

It's all for research, bro. It's all for research.

SPEAKER_03 21:47

Hey, in the name of science, right? Right, gotta be one step ahead of your kids. Yeah. Yeah. Tat tat uh Taz's Angels, though, man. They had like they had Demi, whatever that that girl she had. No, no, demi something. No, this she's uh she was an Instagram, she's one of the the pioneers of Instagram modeling. I still actually let me go. I'll look her up. I follow her.

SPEAKER_01 22:10

H is got a real heart on for this.

SPEAKER_03 22:12

No, I don't. I'm just like, this is like this bringing up memories from back in the day, man. Yeah, memories of your gooning days. Is that what Jessica was?

SPEAKER_04 22:21

H the Gooner. Yeah, there you go. You don't you remember Demi Rose?

SPEAKER_03 22:26

Demi Rose.

SPEAKER_04 22:26

You never heard of Demi Rose, Ruby Rose. It don't matter.

SPEAKER_03 22:29

Lakers and five. Lakers and five. You've heard like you're like I'm pulling page up on the joint. Um this girl, this girl was all over, like, was the first Instagram model I ever followed, like in 2011 or 10 when I first started getting on Instagram.

SPEAKER_04 22:45

I don't even know if I had Instagram in 2011.

SPEAKER_01 22:47

You was like a high school. I just didn't, I was gonna care about that shit. On I mean, she got 70.9 million.

SPEAKER_03 22:56

I think she's like a like she's some some billionaire wifed her up, some some guy in the Maldives or something. But look at she's I mean, yeah, she's supposed to be the it. I'm not about to lie. No, she's no, that's real, bro. This is 100%.

SPEAKER_04 23:12

I'm pretty sure a lot of AI bots have modeled their algorithm or their prompts or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 23:17

Do you know if it's real 100%?

SPEAKER_03 23:19

No, no, because she's been doing this since 2010. So back then they didn't have the filters and the AI and all that shit. This is real. I mean, she's older. I don't know how at least for that body. Oh, this is definitely like airbrush and shit, but all this is real.

SPEAKER_04 23:35

Silicone is also technically real.

SPEAKER_03 23:37

That's not silly cone.

SPEAKER_04 23:38

That's not silly cone. That's not silly cone, he says.

SPEAKER_03 23:42

I mean, it's airbrushed, but it definitely is real. So man, kudos to her.

SPEAKER_04 23:45

That waste is not naturally snatched like that, fam.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

Kudos to her. I'll tell you. No body shaming, but that's no this video.

SPEAKER_04 23:52

Go on YouTube and look up videos from like 2010. If you if you have, I'm gonna do a disclaimer. If you have silicone breasts, uh medically augmented butt snatch waste that was lipo, that's still yours. Be proud of it. You just didn't keep your car stocked, and ain't nothing wrong with that. I respect body mods. Well, when she's out in Miami.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

If you want to hear a crazy story, but maybe it's not a big one. What happened?

SPEAKER_03 24:20

They botched her BBL. What happened?

SPEAKER_01 24:21

No, my mom.

SPEAKER_04 24:24

My mom got a BBL.

SPEAKER_01 24:25

No, she had she had implants. Oh, okay. And and as she got older, she noticed one time like she had something itchy on the side of her boob, and she was scratching it, scratching it, and then the next thing she did was she was like, Oh, something's sticking out of there. She ripped the fucking implant out, threw it in the trash, waited three days, called me and was like, I need to go to the hospital. It got infective. You know, bruh. Like, she bleed no, like, yeah, she was bleeding, but not like gushing blood. It was just the craziest thing. The doctor's like, how did you just rip that shit out? And then it was all it was silicone, so it was all like gooped up in there, had to pay like for some crazy fucking surgical procedure. My mom's my mom was an animal, like absolutely like crazy person, savage.

SPEAKER_04 25:16

It sounds like a mortal combat fatality.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

Raiden wins.

SPEAKER_04 25:23

Yo, rip the cell. Oh, is H calls it as well?

SPEAKER_01 25:27

Rip that shit right out, man. Just whoop threw it. I got a story crash, didn't save it. Nothing.

SPEAKER_03 25:32

This girl I used to date. Yeah, this girl I dated, this girl I dated back in the day had had um some implants, and um one of them popped. And this is after we we this she hits me up like in it's like 2011. She's uh we used to text back and forth a lot. She sends me a picture of herself in like a little bikini joint, not a bikini, like in a in a one piece, and she's like, Oh, look, you notice something different, and one was bigger than the other. She's like, Yeah, it popped, and I have to go back to get surgery or whatever. I'm like, damn, it just popped. Like, yeah, but you ever see like a bad yo, when you get bad implants, the ones that leak, like when like the blood or whatever gets into the thing, it starts to grow mold and all types of. I've seen these store, these horrors, like pictures online of bad implants that they had to take out, and there'll be like black shit floating in the fucking silicone. Dude, it's not normal to have or saline gel, right?

SPEAKER_01 26:25

Like your body tries to fight the the foreign object that's not supposed to be in it.

SPEAKER_03 26:31

Silicone is not as bad as the saline ones. The saline ones, if they leak into your body, backwards. No, silicone's not toxic.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

Silicone's bad. Saline's okay.

SPEAKER_03 26:41

No, silicone's not.

SPEAKER_04 26:42

I thought saline was okay because people use saline solution.

SPEAKER_01 26:45

I'm supposed to have a bad one.

SPEAKER_03 26:47

Neither of them are toxic, but I think silicone absorbs in the world.

SPEAKER_01 26:50

They don't do silicone anymore.

SPEAKER_03 26:52

Yeah, they do.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

Yo, fact check yourself right now because you're gonna get eviscerated in the comments. This is a sneaker podcast.

SPEAKER_03 27:00

Never forget. Uh hey Google's angels silicone breasts still a thing.

SPEAKER_05 27:10

We wait on data breath.

SPEAKER_03 27:17

They don't want to answer like medical. I'm just asking for silicone.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

So let me tell you from my experience, the silicone becomes cohesive like in the body, and it it attaches. So you can't you have to like scrape it out to remove it if it if it bursts. It is not good, it doesn't absorb into the body. Saline will absorb into the body because I mean your body is made up of saline, like water, salt water, right? Like your tears are salty for a reason.

SPEAKER_03 27:49

Whatever. They need to make them out of like something different because they need to they don't none of them feel natural.

SPEAKER_04 27:54

I've never been with a woman with augmented breasts.

SPEAKER_01 27:59

They're different. It's an it's an experience. You should take it out for a spin every now and again.

SPEAKER_04 28:03

Oh so if anyone who has augmented breasts to listen to the podcast, just uh hit the DM and we can do that.

SPEAKER_03 28:13

We don't do that.

SPEAKER_04 28:14

At least at least um send any pictures if you're from the age of 18 to the 12clubkits at gmail.com. We'll rate you on the podcast. We'll rate them. Yeah, we'll rate them.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

We'll do it. We'll do a rate.

SPEAKER_04 28:27

Patreon.

SPEAKER_03 28:28

I'm a man of the church. I do not do none of that. What church app? All of them.

SPEAKER_04 28:33

I was about to make a real funny joke, but it was gonna be a low blow, so I ain't gonna do it. Now, now man, because the book has passed. Fuck it. I'm gonna say I was gonna say it was the church of fatter day saints. But I like that one.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

Yo, you had that one guy come at you in the comments about about shit. What uh I forgot on the one of the watch, the solo watch video you did. So I made a fat joke? Uh yeah, it was weak though. The fat jokes before.

SPEAKER_04 29:07

You're not even like disgusting, bro. Like, you got some weight on you. No, I don't get no, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 29:16

But I have a big head.

unknown 29:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:18

Hey, that's why she's with you. That's right. Big face hue. That could be your watch channel name. Big face. What I got. No, so it's just I don't know. I never understood like that. Like, that's just the lowest hanging fruit to make sense. Do you have a huge? No, I ain't got none of that. I'm not a watch guy. Uh-huh. I might get a Rolly. Like, show me when we were talking. I said he convinced me. Yeah, I'm gonna get a uh a Dayton.

SPEAKER_04 29:44

What's the most expensive watch brand that y'all both own? Because I know Drew, you got a watch case.

SPEAKER_01 29:48

I got a most expensive is probably my Monaco. But that's I mean, it's still less. It's about 9200 bucks.

SPEAKER_03 30:00

Yeah, that's all Rolly. That's a Rolly in there. What Rolly was that?

SPEAKER_01 30:04

I that it's uh Pepsi.

SPEAKER_03 30:08

That's isn't that a that's pricey, isn't it? Oh, is it one of those custom ones where they put the nah? Like it's just a Rolex with the shit.

SPEAKER_01 30:15

I bought it used. I don't I'm not a huge Rolex fan, to be quite blunt. I think they're oh man, I'm gonna I think it's an overrated watch and you're literally just paying for the name. But I will say that out of a lot of the watch brands, Rolex holds their value probably better than most.

SPEAKER_03 30:35

Yeah, because it's aspirational, it's very aspirational to the competition.

SPEAKER_01 30:39

Just brand equity is huge. So it if I like I was saying before, if I was to pick a watch, Rolex wouldn't be the first one to go to. Like I'm going with an IWC or even an HYT, like some rare, weird shit. Stuff that is handmade, that has, you know, there's not you're not going to see it on wrist, but from a lot of people. And people that fuck with watches will be like, all right, I know that it's kind of like sneakers. Like, there's certain sneakers that certain people just don't know anything about, but sneakerheads, you're like, all right, yeah. IS pairs, bro.

SPEAKER_03 31:13

ISPAs. No, not ISPA. ISPAs. Hell yeah. I'm getting one. I know I'm gonna get one when I have the opportunity to get it for cheap. What the API?

SPEAKER_01 31:27

You better not be spending a fucking rack on that.

SPEAKER_03 31:30

I'm not spending a rack. I mean, look. What is actual MSRP?

SPEAKER_04 31:34

400? 400 bucks.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

420 or 420. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:38

It's not so bad. Is Swatch gonna make an actual ban for it? Or is that gonna be like third-party people taking advantage of those?

SPEAKER_01 31:50

I think it'll be third party. I don't see swatch doing that.

SPEAKER_03 31:53

I mean, if they do, they'll make a shit ton more money. And I think, and this is what show me something. He said that it was a licensing deal with AP, so it's just the badge on there.

SPEAKER_01 32:04

Everything else is it's a it's a swatch movement. I mean, it's it's the 51-something movement, which is the automatic movement.

SPEAKER_04 32:12

So in our in our field of expertise, for those not watching, I did air quotes. We see that a lot of sneakers, where a high fashion or luxury brand will collaborate with a Nike or Supreme, and they'll have the licensing to use that high fashion brand's logo, but the materials are still the companies. Like when Off-White and Nike collab, they're not using special grain of leather, it's still the same leather that they use for the other stuff, just might be more tumble. Like, for example, the Dior Jordan one, it wasn't artisanally crafted in Italy or anything like that, to my knowledge.

SPEAKER_03 32:52

I thought that the patterns on that shoe were straight up Dior. I could be wrong, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 32:59

Yeah, you know, that one would be because the MF. Yeah, yeah, okay. But you can see that.

SPEAKER_01 33:06

So I think they used so I think they used the fabric on the swoosh that was actually Dior fabric.

SPEAKER_03 33:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:14

Because it had the embroidered Dior on it, but everything else is not.

SPEAKER_03 33:18

That's like the Louis Vuitton uh Virgil Air Force Ones and stuff. That was all Louis Vuitton materials. Yeah. But see, those are the things that are.

SPEAKER_01 33:25

But there was a lot more of that on that shoe.

SPEAKER_04 33:26

Yeah, because MSRP of those MSRP of those shoes were still Louis prices. They were still like $3,000 at retail.

SPEAKER_03 33:34

No, they were I think oh yeah, they were three grand.

SPEAKER_04 33:36

Yeah, they were like $2.93.

SPEAKER_03 33:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:39

Um, but invite only. You couldn't get that off the shelf. Yeah. Any other time though, like Nike collabs with a major brand, they're just using like their licensing.

SPEAKER_03 33:50

Yep. Yeah, like with Nike and Supreme Collab. It uh when I get the Nike Supreme stuff, it's in Nike plastic bags. Even if I bought it from Supreme, so it's all pre-packaged Nike shit. Speaking of Nike shit, here's some shit. Look at this. What is this? What's the point of this? This man retired 10 years ago. Like, what the fuck are we doing? And it's just a isn't that just the mellow two with just like slightly better hardware? I guess it has a little gold joint on here. Yeah, y'all. Oh, this is 2023. P Pac honor his career, and then today is an imprint. Wait, is this like a thanks to the wait, is this an old post? Nah, I saw I saw it recently on my feed too. Is it okay? So what are they releasing this or are they just like throwing it up as a vintage? Okay, I got confused here.

SPEAKER_04 34:41

I was slow news day, and it was like, hey, celebrate Carmelo retirement.

SPEAKER_03 34:46

Okay, I thought this was actually coming out. I was like, are you serious?

SPEAKER_04 34:50

I mean, it's a nice too. To play in.

SPEAKER_03 34:52

He played in this shoe back in the middle.

SPEAKER_04 34:55

Yeah, that's why they called the mellow twos. They went crazy back in the day.

SPEAKER_03 34:59

You think twos are uncomfortable? Uh they're they don't fit my feet, right? The the low, uh, they yeah, they are pretty bricky. Then you need to have to size a half size to a full size up on those. And I have a whole old closet full of size 12 twos that I that I put one pair on, and I was like, fuck, these shoes don't work on my feet. To have a closet full of twos is insane.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 35:23

I got the amas, all that shit. I got a whole bunch of twos. I like the two. The two lows are great, but I can't.

SPEAKER_01 35:31

I'm not a fan. I don't like twos. I got them.

SPEAKER_04 35:34

I got a few, but I will admit I wouldn't have no tears if I had to part ways with them.

SPEAKER_01 35:42

Yeah, I only think I have two pairs or maybe three tops, but I never I never I never go into the sneaker room and be like, yeah, I'm I'm wearing some twos today. I need twos for this fit. No, it's just not a silhouette.

SPEAKER_03 35:59

Twos, twos, twesday. Oh, you know what's crazy? You know, I've been selling my collection, right? I sold a pair of ambush air adjusts. I know it's like, what's an ambush air adjusts? You mean that I went with the closet? Yeah. Well, they gave you $40 for that. Yo, dog. I looked and I was like, yo, I went in my closet, I was like, oh shit, I forgot about the shoe. I had every colorway of it like stacked up in the back of my closet. And I got remember the um the Air Force Ones that Ambush did with the pointy.

SPEAKER_04 36:29

With the super extendo swoosh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:31

I have all of those too. And I wore one pair because I remember it's in other. I wore the green ones, which is like the weirdest color to wear. But I wore the green ones. Now I wish I kept them in the box because I could those are probably worth a little bit. Talk about silicone aging badly. That was a I like their collapse.

SPEAKER_01 36:50

Uh the LeBron. She's a queen, but uh the LeBron 20s have that extended swoosh. It pops out.

SPEAKER_03 36:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:59

Now these are bad though. Like you stab somebody with these.

SPEAKER_04 37:01

Nike was in there. Nike was in their bag with that because she had the dunks that had the extendo, the forces, like you said, the LeBron 20s. They were like, Hold up, y'all. What if we took the swoosh? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah, just extend it. And they put it off the shoe. Hold up. Crazy, bro. Keep talking. All right. So remember like when Travis had the swoosh facing the wrong way? Yeah. What if we, you know, kept doing that. What's my boy?

SPEAKER_03 37:34

No, that that was that that was air. Um, that was that's not original. Sneaker nomics. He a true sneakerhead.

SPEAKER_04 37:41

He's a genius. Scott's cooking with goss. He's a true sneakerhead. Goss.

SPEAKER_01 37:49

Well, I mean, honestly, I think Travis Scott just stole it from the Darwin, right? Like, literally, yeah, the Darwin.

SPEAKER_03 37:54

Yeah, that was on the tip of my tongue. Yep. Darwin.

SPEAKER_04 37:56

Whoa. Extend over the tip of your tongue. Pause. But um, hey, speaking of Travis, because we're a sneaker podcast. I know y'all just Jonesing for those. That's why Drew wore pink. I am.

SPEAKER_03 38:09

I am.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

Yo, it's Wednesday. We always wear pink on Wednesday.

SPEAKER_03 38:12

Shout out to the breast cancer awareness. Why do you do the age? Come on, now you don't get that reference.

SPEAKER_04 38:17

What's Pink Wednesday? It's a Nicki Minaj new mixtape. Go download it. I missed Potting, boy. God damn it. I don't even know.

SPEAKER_03 38:27

What does that mean? What is Wednesday? Come on, man. Come on, man. Lindsay Lohan. That's something to do with vagina on a Wednesday? I don't understand. That's the best day to get it.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

It's scientifically pumpkin. Dude, having a mean girls has a midweek. It's for mean girls. It's for mean girls. The movie Mean Girls. You've never seen that movie. I've seen the movie Mean Girls. Great movie.

SPEAKER_04 38:48

We wear pink.

SPEAKER_01 38:49

Or pink. That's that's the reference.

SPEAKER_04 38:52

Yeah, that's the that's the meme.

SPEAKER_01 38:53

You know. That's it?

unknown 38:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:55

That's it, man. Sorry. It's it's not a big thing.

SPEAKER_04 38:59

Sorry, it's not an inner. It wasn't on uh Iceman. You don't got a thing.

SPEAKER_05 39:05

Pussy Cong me.

SPEAKER_04 39:06

We can Wednesday we wear pink. Ah, damn.

SPEAKER_03 39:13

Great album. Great album.

SPEAKER_04 39:15

But yeah, um, Travis. Atomic pink, astro pink, bubblegum pink, whatever. I'll be going for them.

SPEAKER_03 39:22

I'm I'm going for both. I'm going as many pairs I can get. I love that shoe.

SPEAKER_04 39:27

Yeah, I really want those.

SPEAKER_03 39:28

I love I love a pink shoe. I will pay resale twice.

SPEAKER_01 39:32

I won't pay resale. I will not pay resale for that shit. Fuck buying it. Nah. Resale. The hype resale. Everyone got hype beast in them, but I ain't paying resale. Like literally, that shoe do Travis one low still hit crazy.

SPEAKER_03 39:48

Nah, that shoe's just dope. I just like I like on the aftermarket. Like, you gotta pay a lot. Yeah. That's gonna be like that canary one. Like it's gonna, it's gonna end up in that 350, 200, like 400.

SPEAKER_04 39:59

I walked into the store, and they had the canaries as a shock drop, my local store. I just picked them up for the love of the game because they was retail.

SPEAKER_03 40:07

What? I need to get another pair because I sold mine. I just sold it recently, too. Somebody paid $420 for them shits on Joe.

SPEAKER_04 40:14

I'm like, are we take them? Are we in on the canary ones being his worst low? And people watching and listening, we want your opinion. Is that the worst? Travis Scout won low. I like him.

SPEAKER_03 40:28

I I just never wore them.

SPEAKER_01 40:30

Hot take. I don't like the Phantoms. So which one?

SPEAKER_03 40:34

Oh, the black with the white sweet shoe. Okay. I gotta People hated that at the time. When it first came out, then when I started seeing it on people's feet, that that that that shoe was fire.

SPEAKER_04 40:44

You know what the Phantoms remind me of? And it's a recent shoe. The Flight Club Jordan One High that just came out this year.

SPEAKER_03 40:53

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:54

I like the Jordan One High better, to be honest.

SPEAKER_03 40:57

You get that for like 19 cents now.

SPEAKER_04 40:59

They're they're cheap. If you see the really under 50 bucks and it was slightly usual, brand new, I get it.

SPEAKER_01 41:07

I don't want to change subjects, but I did you see the Balvin ones that are dropping? The the Saint re-release? Yeah, the black ones.

SPEAKER_04 41:14

Yeah, the black ones, yeah. Are those actually coming out? Or was that like a special?

SPEAKER_01 41:21

I thought I I read. I could be wrong. I'd have to fact check myself.

SPEAKER_04 41:27

Maybe um why why are we talking about Balvin and the ones, which I think about the fours? They got a release date or estimated release of this year.

SPEAKER_03 41:36

You get them Brazil fours? Might as well get those the same fucking shit. Mean the threes? Threes, whatever the fuck. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 41:44

I I gotta say, I don't know. I gotta see that Balvin Four in hand. That colorway, the color blocking on that, something I gotta see in hand. I I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 41:54

The pictures, they look a little I'm not gonna, I'm not a big, I'm not the champion of reggaeton and uh Jay Balvin ain't in my most dream artists at the end of the year. But I like all his collabs. Whether they for me to wear on feet, I appreciate all of them. The ones were super crazy. I know a lot of people, especially fans. I mean, people who are not fans, they just hate them. I respect them. The twos, minus the ridiculous price point, they not bad. They got me. Um, the threes, both threes, hard to hate on the Yeah, I like the both threes.

SPEAKER_01 42:32

I only own the twos.

SPEAKER_04 42:34

Yeah, Bal Balvin's, like I said, I wouldn't be mad at anybody, but like, all them shits is ass. I can understand where somebody will come from if they said that, but like I do, I do like them, and they all are him, if that makes any sense. Like, you don't look at them and go, oh, they just put Jay Balvin's name on it. I feel like Jay Balvin, same way with Tiana Taylor, when they call him to do a collab, they in the studio, they with the materials, yeah, they talking to the team, like they're in there making that shit with them.

SPEAKER_01 43:07

Mm-hmm. You you can tell they influence the design language in that shoe because every release that they have, it it feels like you said, it it definitely feels like their influence and and their style, and just kind of through their design language, they've really put something into the shoe.

SPEAKER_03 43:24

So another thing that came, and I know um Kari, I know you listened to I just I just finally listened to Sneak this, got done with it over the on Sunday. Um, what do you guys think of the Kobe pack? Oh boy. I know they they talked about it on there, Greg.

SPEAKER_04 43:41

Greg and Don. Greg and Don was they kind of was going in on it.

SPEAKER_03 43:44

I don't I mean, it's cool. I actually I like these a lot more than I mean it's a dope little white basketball shoe, so go open it. I don't think they asked. They cool. I mean it's not what's cool about it.

SPEAKER_01 43:59

Tell me what's cool. About that shoe.

SPEAKER_03 44:01

So it it it the Take the Kobe name away.

SPEAKER_01 44:04

What's cool about that show?

SPEAKER_03 44:05

Kobe 4s are cool. And and they um it's like a rub off, it it shows the team color. But the storytelling behind it, Greg made a great point. Like Kobe wasn't like the most sought-after person in that draft. So you look at everybody first off, 96 best draft class of all time. I think I never looked at it that way because I I didn't follow the sport that much back then. So I mean I was in retrospect. I could say the names that came out of that draft, yeah. Like Iverson, all those people. Garnet, yeah, a lot of Kobe himself pull that shit up. I don't pull that shit up. But like Steve Nash was in that classroom.

SPEAKER_01 44:43

Steve Nash, yeah. You are never putting this shoe on toe. You are never walking out and touching grass in that shoe. I never wore Kobe basketball shoe in my life. So what could you possibly like about this shoe? It looks fine. It's a shoe.

SPEAKER_04 45:05

But like, and I do like the whole blind box aspect. Nike Naslick, they know Pokemon calls going crazy in the streets. Blind box unboxings are all a rage right now. So I I I don't hate what they're trying to do, but it's one, it is in excess, and two, it's not the most desirable Kobe model. And three, look, rest in peace, bean. But some of these stories are like this is like the third or fourth time they went to the well with the whole draft concept. Because I know Undefeated had that pack and all of that. Like, if it works, it works. But like Greg and Don were saying, with me personally, with my budget in mind, I'm not trying to play Russian roulette out of what 15, 16 shoes to hopefully get one that I want.

SPEAKER_01 45:56

Kobe fans will. They're not creating a desire though. Like, it's just too saturated. I don't I don't care anymore. Because every week I'm like, all right, it's another Kobe. It's another Kobe. So there's no anticipation, there's no build-up.

SPEAKER_04 46:12

The only ones that will really mean something to me, besides the Lakers ones, would be the Hornets, because that's the team that actually drafted them. But the whole concept, that's like if it's like if it's like they're doing a Jordan Kilroy pack times two. Hey, imagine if any player that we signed got drafted to a different team besides the one. Like, what if they made a LeBron Zoom generation pack? These are all the teams that should have got LeBron. Like, bro, like stop, bro.

SPEAKER_03 46:44

There are there was no teams that should have got he was number one.

SPEAKER_04 46:46

No, but I'm just saying, like, what if you know Jordan was the third pick? What if Jordan got drafted by the so-and-so?

SPEAKER_03 46:53

Sam Bowie.

SPEAKER_04 46:54

Jordan won.

SPEAKER_03 46:55

Wait, a lot of Sam Bowie airship PE. Who's the other guy? Who's it was Elajuan? Was Elajuan in that draft? I don't remember. I don't know if it's a good one.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

Yo, I love these airships.

SPEAKER_03 47:08

84. 1984. I I got there's three picks ahead of him. Who the fuck was the other guy? He was the therapy. I think it was Elajuan. I want to say Elajuan, but I could be wrong. Charles Barkley. Oh no, it was Elajuan. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:23

Sam and Elajuan.

SPEAKER_03 47:24

It was Elajuan and Sam Bowie and then Jordan. Sam Perkins, Charles Barkley, Termkin. This was dope drag class, too. Somewhat. Nah, it kind of drops off after the fifth pick. Yo, John Stockton. There's a guy named Starberry in there? Damn. Stephon Marbury. Yeah, John Stockton was in the world.

SPEAKER_04 47:44

Speaking of 96, yeah, Stephon Marbury.

SPEAKER_05 47:47

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 47:47

Yeah. Alright, let me go back to 96. I'll put that on the screen because that's I want to actually 96, boy.

SPEAKER_04 47:53

Space Jam was in theaters. Kobe was drafted by the Charlotte Hornets. And Bill Cole was getting impeached. A history documentary.

SPEAKER_03 48:05

Getting a beach. Bill of 1996. Brains. So Marcus Cambi. He had a good career. Sarif. Sarif Abdurahim. He had a good career. Stefan Marbury at Dre Allen. Carry Kittles was my favorite college player. He's like the guy that I used to want to be. This is why I wanted to go to Villanova. I wanted to go to Villanova because I thought Carrie Kittles was a good thing. What school did you end up going to? They took me. A lion. Nittany lion. Steve. I don't know that.

SPEAKER_04 48:45

Some form of cat. Oh shit. I don't know. I know when I'm about to get cooked by all the Pennsylvanians.

SPEAKER_03 48:51

Whatever. Cats, Panthers are all the fucking same. But it's a lot. Antoine Walker. Antoine Walker got picked higher than Kobe. Fuck that.

SPEAKER_04 49:00

Well, keep in mind, Kobe was Kobe was literally a teenage boy, bruh.

SPEAKER_03 49:06

Eight points a game. Oh, wait, that was I thought it was career. He had a good career, though. I ain't gonna lie. Yeah. Yo, it's crazy, like the blow up of these guys when they leave the NBA and stop working out. Like Sam Perkins, not Sam Perkins. What's his name? Perkins. The guy who does the fucking uh ESPN. Kendrick Perkins, yeah. Yo, did you ever see him in his prime, yo? Kendrick Perkins was like, ugh, dog. Like, I was like, I was like, yo, yeah, like most professional athletes through that 12 pack. Like, and I don't know if you like old basketball.

SPEAKER_01 49:38

Like, have you seen that documentary from the the ABA? Like, I don't know. I mean, I'm old, so I remember the ABA.

SPEAKER_04 49:45

ABA is when people are still drinking out of different water fountains.

SPEAKER_01 49:48

So I don't know. Yeah. I thought that was a root beer for a second. Like Dr. J was the face of the ABA. So like I grew up, you know, growing up in Philly, everyone.

unknown 49:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:59

Julius was Dr. Julius Irving for practicing without an actual license. Did they? No, I'm fucking with you. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:11

Cheyenne Bryant. Dr.

SPEAKER_01 50:12

J was swag, man.

SPEAKER_04 50:13

He had all the swag. You know, back then black people couldn't be doctors. You know that was just a moniker.

SPEAKER_01 50:19

And then the NBA fucked them over. All of them that didn't get drafted back into the NBA when they merged. It was shitty, man. Anyway. That's a good documentary if anybody wants to check it out on the ABA. That shit was. I'll check it out. I respect Dr. J. It's not just about Dr. J, it's about the entire league. So it's called on Prime.

SPEAKER_04 50:42

John Fizzwizzle, uh Derek LeVassier.

SPEAKER_01 50:48

It's literally the birth of like all the big time black players that that kind of brought the league into a different level that the NBA wouldn't allow them to play that way. So made it entertaining.

SPEAKER_04 51:01

My favorite ABA player is uh Jonathan Hoops McKinley. Y'all know who that is? I actually don't.

SPEAKER_05 51:08

Jonathan Hoops McKinley.

SPEAKER_04 51:10

I feel like I'm about to be clowned on.

SPEAKER_01 51:12

I just made him up. I never heard of that.

SPEAKER_03 51:16

Yo, Drew gotta be the most insecure internet personality ever. I always yo, this guy every time, every time he says something that he thinks a little off, oh I'm gonna get hit with the comments. Who gives a fuck? Take it like a man.

SPEAKER_01 51:33

I'll take it. I take it all the time. What are you talking about? Doesn't mean I can't pay.

SPEAKER_03 51:38

What's happening here? I mean it's almost taken off. Oh, I did the that was a little fabulous, right? Pause.

SPEAKER_04 51:46

Do do companies still do pride collections and sneakers?

SPEAKER_03 51:50

I don't I think the the the the error is done.

SPEAKER_04 51:53

I'm about to say, did the current administration scare everybody? I think so. I think so.

SPEAKER_03 51:57

I think it's just like whatever now. Like they've moved on to like trans and shit. That's still a part of pride. I think that I don't even know if the trans thing means anything anymore. I don't think it's like alarming anymore. Nobody cares. Not only care about like immigrants and fucking taking away blacks' rights to vote. Oh that's it. Keys of immigrants. They're doing very well. Oh man. The brand. I can't believe Thomas Massey lost. That's crazy. Did you see this?

SPEAKER_01 52:22

He's talking about redistricting. Yeah, he he got he he got put in his plate, but he's still got seven months to make lots of fucking noise.

SPEAKER_03 52:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:32

Yeah. Anyway, let's not go down that path.

SPEAKER_03 52:35

Oh no, I'm just saying I was a surprise when I saw that shit. I was like, damn, I thought he was popular.

SPEAKER_01 52:39

Yo, they believed in the AI video that they put. The amount of money that was dumped was insane for a very, I think for a hundred thousand people that he represents, the the millions upon millions of dollars that was spent to win was crazy.

SPEAKER_03 52:53

Oh, but dude, you know what they did? They made some AI video of him going into a hotel with AOC and Ilham Omar. Now, to a liberal like me, I'm about to say that's some what's what's his name?

SPEAKER_04 53:06

That's some Taz Angels action right now.

SPEAKER_03 53:08

That's a Taz Angel action.

SPEAKER_04 53:09

ALC throwing it back at four bill.

SPEAKER_03 53:12

Let me read the bill. That's some shit. Like, I'm I'm over. I'm I'm like, come on.

SPEAKER_04 53:17

You know how people like when their career plateaus and they jump to OF to like jump start it and stuff?

SPEAKER_03 53:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 53:24

If AOC don't make it in politics, you think she do OF?

SPEAKER_03 53:28

I doubt it.

SPEAKER_04 53:29

Hell no, she would never do it. But like people want to you see her fiance? Nah.

SPEAKER_03 53:35

She's marrying a ginger, yo. Like, she I I think she just like I think she's just like uh and she's from the Bronx. This is weird. She's like one of them. I don't know. She went to the Ivy League school too, so I don't know how to read her actually. Because a girl from the from the Bronx marries a white ginger guy. Like, even white people don't want to marry white ginger people.

SPEAKER_04 54:01

I knew a dude who told me he would want to procreate with a Japanese woman.

SPEAKER_03 54:08

Come on.

SPEAKER_04 54:08

Because Japanese people can't produce ginger kids.

SPEAKER_01 54:11

Yo, my first wife was ginger.

SPEAKER_03 54:13

See? Are you with her anymore? Like your first wife.

SPEAKER_01 54:16

No, it wasn't.

SPEAKER_03 54:17

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 54:18

What if somebody was ginger-named ginger? That'd be that'd be tough.

SPEAKER_03 54:21

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 54:22

I did my old neighbor.

SPEAKER_03 54:23

The redhead.

SPEAKER_01 54:24

Her name was Ginger, and she was a ginger.

SPEAKER_03 54:27

Uh Gilligan's Island, right? Wasn't Ginger redheaded? But she didn't have freckles, did she? She the the model-looking lady, right? From Gilligan.

SPEAKER_01 54:36

She didn't have freckles, but Marianne did.

unknown 54:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 54:39

I can't remember. Brunette. Oh man. Ginger from a lot of time was spent with that show.

SPEAKER_03 54:46

Oh god, this guy. What didn't you beat off to? I can't even. I can't even imagine like the amount of like like this guy is just like libido out the door. Yeah, she was she was pretty fucking um back in the day.

SPEAKER_01 55:04

Like this was, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:06

Gilligan's Island.

SPEAKER_04 55:07

On TV. What the fuck in TV land?

SPEAKER_03 55:10

Yeah, man. Gilligan's Islands was shit. I used to watch that shit all the time.

SPEAKER_04 55:14

Ooh, boomer.

SPEAKER_03 55:16

I mean, they they they they showed reruns. I there wasn't no, it wasn't original anymore. I would hope not, because motherfucker, how old are you? They did do a remake. I'm about to be 47. We shouldn't do remakes. No, they did. I think they did do a remake.

SPEAKER_01 55:34

I don't, you know, it that show shouldn't be remade. It just uh won't hit the same. Like that shit just they tried to make remake Love.

SPEAKER_04 55:40

You can't remake Gilligan's Island in this day and age. I don't really know the show, but they got stuck on the island. All this technology nowadays, man, it did kind of remake it like Lost.

SPEAKER_03 55:51

Lost was sort of like Gilligan's Island, but not funny. It was sort of like Gilligan's weekly. That's crazy, though, right? You think about it, it it's similar.

SPEAKER_04 56:00

I guess. And the fact that they got stuck on the island, I guess Castaway was a remake too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:07

Well said. Yo, Ginger was bad. So y'all might have to talk about it. Marianne, Mary Ann, you said? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 56:14

Yeah, she was bad. That show is turning 55 years old. Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_03 56:19

Well, that was back in 2019.

SPEAKER_04 56:21

So it's over 60 now. So I guess all these people have gone to the to the other side.

SPEAKER_03 56:26

Most of them probably dead. I know these two.

SPEAKER_01 56:27

I think they're all gone. I think they're all gone now. Gilligan's still alive. No, I don't think he is. I think he just passed.

SPEAKER_04 56:35

Really?

SPEAKER_01 56:36

Yeah. R.I.P.

SPEAKER_04 56:37

Gilligan's Island came out. So Gilligan found the island, named him after himself.

SPEAKER_01 56:41

No, he died in 2005, bro. Even to a while.

unknown 56:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 56:47

Robert Denver, man.

SPEAKER_03 56:48

Rest in peace. Go into the wiki. Go into the wiki wiki. Wiki Wiki Wiki. You don't believe. No, I'm just I'm trying to figure out how much we can bore the audience with this?

SPEAKER_04 57:02

Is that what you're trying to figure out? Thank goodness I got older parents. I wouldn't even know what the fuck we was talking about right now. Dawn Wells. She yeah, she died in 2020.

SPEAKER_03 57:10

Did she get COVID?

unknown 57:12

What?

SPEAKER_03 57:13

Why did you just assume she had COVID? Because of 2020. Well, she died in December 30th, 2020. Maybe she died because she was old as hell. Old. I mean, COVID could have been contributed. Anybody who died between 2020 and 2022 died from COVID. Oh holy shit, she did die related to COVID. It's COVID. Yeah. Oh, said okay. When the real moment we oh H and the Bobby, yeah. Motherfucker, yo. Let me take this off, man. I don't want to make y'all look stupid anymore. Yeah. Change this name to the H is a Genius podcast. Yeah, go ahead and one episode this one.

SPEAKER_01 57:47

That's why you're that's why your head's so big.

SPEAKER_03 57:49

Yep. My brain is swelling with knowledge. Yeah, Wahantavirus. Oh man. Oh, yeah, but the comments are crazy. Um uh about not the what the watch stuff, that was my personal page, but there was uh something. Oh yeah, somebody left some crazy comments. I screenshot and sent it to the group chat. Yeah, I forgot about it. Like, we don't care about your opinion. I'm like, who's we? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That dude is. Like, what are you talking about? Like, who would your representative of the sneaker culture?

SPEAKER_04 58:21

My favorite thing is like they don't realize how much of a backbiting comment that is. No one fucking cares about your take as you watch the take, process the take, left a comment about the take, and I know you're gonna respond to my opinion on the take. Exactly. Just leave a like and go the fuck on.

SPEAKER_02 58:39

Yeah, and you know, we always say that the oh give anybody a microphone or the oh, anybody podcast the quick and then you know we're gonna start anybody could fucking type a comment to exactly just give anybody a microphone.

SPEAKER_04 58:52

Yeah, motherfucker, they gave your dumb ass internet access.

SPEAKER_03 58:57

Part of the reason why we're in this pickle that we're in, part of the reason why in this pickle as a country right now is because everybody has fucking internet. They should only give internet to people who can pass an aptitude test. I swear. They should not. This is this a whole group of people who should not be able to vote or or fucking whatever. And I'm talking about everybody, I'm talking about people who in the country, people in the hood. Y'all motherfuckers need to learn how to read a book, comprehend some shit before you get access to things that that that affect me and my educated friends' future, present company included in that.

SPEAKER_04 59:31

Oh, you gave me a lot of credit, but nah, um now I love the shit, bro. The love of the game from like like people don't understand, man. I was born in this internet shit before it, during it, as it's thriving, bruh. Like, I got card called the hard R Xbox Live 10 times before the school bus came out. Like, none of that shit is relevant, bro.

SPEAKER_01 59:51

Yo, Xbox Live was crazy in the early days. I feel like it was just the nobody had a filter. It was insane.

SPEAKER_04 59:59

The the beginning of kids going online and having their mental health checked at the door, like when people would say kill yourself on Xbox Live, bro, they really wanted you to try it, bro. Like kill your fucking self, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:14

Yeah, but it was it was funny. You remember when you what was it, the connect, and you could talk to it, and you used to I used to change my name to Xbox Off or Xbox Turn Off. So everybody could fucking Xbox turn off, and then it would shut their system down.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:28

So that's the equivalent of like when people like when they donate to streamers and they'll hey, they'll say like hey Siri or some shit, just to have that shit go off. Yeah, I love it, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:41

Next level trolling. Don't you don't they have oh wait, the robot voice says it? They they weren't headphones though, most of the time. Not all the time. Not back in the like back in the day. That was a moment, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:57

I played the first game. I'm I'm OG Xbox Live, like Vecasult. I played the first Xbox Live game ever.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:05

You also played like the first video game ever, too, probably. Oh yeah, I can love that shit. He had a wooden box, he had a wooden box of the TV in it playing Pong with a with it with a paddle, like a black pad.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:18

What about it?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:19

I'm not saying what I mean. I'm just right, it's history, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:23

That's right. It's something about those classic games, bro. It's kind of like the way Nike won't let go of the 90s era retros, like classic gamers, and they're like Nintendo Super Nintendo era. It's nostalgia, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:40

It's good. Those are good memories. I don't know why people come at you like talking shit and all this stuff. And they they never they're good, they're they're just good memories. Yeah, I don't care. Call it mental masturbation, whatever the fuck you want to call it. They're good memories.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:55

That's going to the bomb shelter, man. Nostalgia, that's what I call nostalgia. It's a bomb shelter from the assault that you get from the current day. Like after you commute, deal with your co-workers, do your job, go back home, check the mail, see the bills. It's nice to be like, let me go back to a simpler time when even though it might not have made sense then, it makes sense now in retrospect. And I need that dopamine hit. That's right. If it's gonna stop you from shooting up a school man, go for it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:25

I thought you were about to say shooting up some heroin.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:27

It's all like, damn. Sometimes heroin could be nostalgic too.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:31

If she was a drug at some point, I don't I don't know if I want to go back to that level of nostalgia.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:38

Chase that dragon.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:40

Dragon.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:41

Some of the best music was made on heroin. Nirvana. Yeah, Nirvana, um, Rick James. Now that was cold.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:49

Stevie Ray Vaughn.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:52

The Doors, the Doors, they did a lot of good heroin music. Was Lear Zeppelin on drugs? Oh, yeah. Maybe. Everybody was on drugs, Rolling Stones, all of them. Yeah. Oh yeah. It was a lot of drugs. Jimi Hendrix. Didn't he? He was a hero on head, right? I don't know. I thought it was more LSD. He was psychedelic. Yeah. Oh, it was in psychedelics? What'd he die from, though? He died a little vomit.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:17

He OD'd and he was throwing up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:19

And they left him for the asphyxiated. Is it aspirated or asphyxiated?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:24

He threw up on his I mean he died from choking on his own vomit.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:28

Yeah, they killed Jimmy, man. They let him die. Don't you know that like if you're if someone gets super drunk and is gonna vomit, you always put them on their side. You never let them sleep on their back for that reason.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:40

Oh, because I wasn't there.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:43

So you'll choke on your own vomit. So yeah, I don't pretty much drown yourself.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:47

I don't drink that hard. Pause. Never? You've never drank to the point of the puke? Not an even. Yeah, I have, but I don't I don't think it's I'm usually standing up and puking or sitting over a toilet or something. I don't go to sleep. Oh really?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:02

I just pass out in the bathtub and I puke all over myself and hose off.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:06

There you go. Hose off.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:08

That's right. Get the hose off.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:11

Throwing up. Get them hose off me. Oh my god. Oh, we lost Kari. Oh, sneaker stuff. Let's say. Boy, we were talking about these Kobe's and we went off in a retro uh I still feel the same about them Kobe's. I just uh yeah look I I whatever what Greg said, the point of it, like these these things. But I think if you if you're actually gonna wear these shoes and and wipe away the white on them and get those colors under there, I think there'd be some dope, dope little Kobe's to wear. Uh the yellow one, the Kobe uh the Laker one is obviously the best one. I could it's just got a lot more character to it, I guess, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:49

Other than that, I mean it's a cool little box set. But I feel like they put that yellow one in there. It's kind of like the Wizard of Oz SBs, right? Comes in a blind bag. You don't know it's the win of the it's the lottery kind of feeling. Oh, I could hit the lottery by getting the gold one.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:07

These are fire. I need these. I might get these.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:10

I like these. That's a good good neutral color. Yeah, but wait for that shit to go and say.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:15

Oh, of course. Yeah. I like canvas on the upper canvas on the top here, the upper part, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:24

I mean, it's crazy how how bad the Jordan. I mean, how much hate the Jordan one is just or the disrespect now. I mean, it's these kids don't understand shit. Fuck them. I mean, those band lows.

unknown 1:05:36

Fuck us.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:37

Oh, they're fire. Yeah, I got them.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:40

I got them. I spam baby Hannah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:44

Welcome back. Oh, I don't know. I honestly I I I doubled up on those because I just are super nice. The band, the lows.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:53

Oh, yeah. If I get a chance to get them under retail.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:56

Oh, they way under retail, bro. They're under retail. If you buy it in the aftermarket, you get it probably cheaper than um I got a discount on mine. I bought one pair of like f uh finish line, and I had a fifteen percent off plus a twenty dollar coupon. Shit, steel. Yeah. Yeah, and and and I got one from Nike because obviously I gotta make sure I got an authentic one.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:19

Yo, the materials are awesome on that. That tumble leather is super nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:23

Oh yeah, it's a it's a great shoe. I don't even I don't know if I could I don't wear those colors, but I will.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:37

But I'm gonna get started.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:38

Back up. The highs?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:40

How can you be a sneaker collector and not wear a bread colorway?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:45

Who me?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:47

Are you telling me? Oh, I I just don't wear black and red.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:51

Yeah, I will say that. He he he's notorious for not being a big red dude. Or a black dude. Clip that. Notorious for not being a black dude. You are something else. Uh yeah, I don't want to. This release. What is this bullshit?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:09

The Nigel shit's just gonna be. It's gonna be a such an annoying release.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:14

They got prices on this shit?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:15

$55. I feel like these are gonna be way easier to get, which I'm happy.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:22

I don't know. I don't think they're gonna be super easy to get.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:25

A lot of my local stores that didn't even touch the first pair have raffles for these. Also, I um if y'all want to enter for me.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:33

I uh I put a bid in on stock and oh no, no, and goat for $4.25 for a pair. That's crazy. I don't mind paying aftermarket's gonna be alright.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:44

I'm about to say when they drop, you probably gonna get that bid accepted.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:48

Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:49

I'm saying they're floating around what $450 right now before the release.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:53

I put $435, and the high the highest bid right now is $480, so the price is going up closer to release.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:01

Yeah, that's the even the brick by brick has come down though.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:06

Well, that's because there's fatigue.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:09

Actually, it hasn't. I I stand correct. I'm about to say nah. You're looking at the wrong number. Yeah, it means almost $800 after this.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:16

I sold mine for eight something. How much I sell mine for?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:19

I still got mine upstairs. I think I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:21

So do I. Mine are still dead stock, too.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:24

Stoveguard cooks, brick after brick, a brick and the brick after I sold all almost all my expensive shoes.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:32

$2,000 for my fucking Travis Scott fragment. Um here, I sold my brick by brick for $800 exactly. Cashed out seven, I mean six ninety-five. They take a lot of fees, man. Shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:46

Do you ever try selling on eBay? They take less fees.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:53

I guess. Yeah. I don't go on eBay. I don't understand that.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:58

It depends on what level seller you are. But I sell, I prefer eBay over all the resale platforms.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:04

But they have the authentication now, so or been had the authentication, so I think that's fine. But I haven't tried. I need to um get on that vault app and do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:12

Young G Z pulled a wool over a lot of people's eyes with that Nigel apparel. It's not bad, but it's real play.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:20

Oh man, that eye shot is fucking heinous. Which one? I didn't even say it. The Vault.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:27

They still making eyeshots?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:28

Yeah, they gotta, they gotta, he's gotta do a new silhouette. That thing is just yeah, it's been it's been like a it's been like a year.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:35

These raging bull toro thingies, whatever. I don't know. What's up with all these red shoes coming out?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:41

Yeah, but there's all controversy on those toros, the re-release of the qualities because the quality they're just saying is garbage. It's just nowhere. The OG. I think the O I think the original ones were better. But who knows? You know, everyone's got a complaint in the sneaker world. This is trash. This is trash. Those sandals sold out today. Or what's sandals? Go up the marriage. Are these jaws here? What in the world?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:11

Yo, man, these are PSW.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:13

That's cap. Nobody wants this.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:16

What kind of fucking foot quick too? I bet you some dude bought. I bet you you're gonna see a dude on Instagram wearing this shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:25

Oh, yeah, with the flare pants.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:28

Fuck happened to to our young white males. What's that? What did Charlie Kirk's wife say? We gotta protect our young white male men.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:42

This is what they indiscriminated against. Protect them.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:47

Oh, wait, we didn't like I want to actually I did want to talk. I haven't talked to anybody about this. The Chud the Builder shit. I know we brought it up real quick in the beginning. How do y'all feel about that that motherfucker?

SPEAKER_05 1:10:58

What do you mean? How could you feel any other way?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:00

But don't be chipping out on me now.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:03

Hey man, it's it's a lot of neo-Nazis in jail, so he should be out there. It's a fucking douchebag.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:09

I don't understand. Like, how do you how do you feel that entitled because of the color of your skin? It's so crazy. Like, even white people, white racist people are like, yo, you're a fucking idiot.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:20

Because it's the internet, like everything is funny and ha ha ha until real consequences emerge.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:26

Yeah, you know, find out. It's not fucking.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:28

And and I'm and I'm not I'm not just speaking on church. I think about everybody that does IRL streaming and print content. It's funny to go on Walmart and lick ice cream or to casually shoplift or to say racist stuff until either they get their ass whipped or they get cuffs on.

unknown 1:11:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:45

Then it's just not funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:46

You know what I kind of like though? That the the pickup artist shit where the the young black dudes go up to like anybody and just be like holding their hand, like, yo, let me get your number. And some of the old white women, they just make me laugh, yo, when they pull up to some old white.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:58

Every time I see that, I always feel like it's scripted.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:01

I feel no, some of that, I mean, even if it is, it's funny. That's I I just find it entertaining because I love I love that shit. I think it's hilarious. It reminds me when porn have a storyline.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:13

Like you can walk up to somebody in the grocery stores, like, you're gonna stop bullying my son, and then like, whoa, I didn't know your mom was so hot. I'll start bullying him if you let me bang you. I'm like, bruh, this shit, what the fuck is that?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:26

Stop picking on Billy. What do you want?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:28

Man, just get to the comp shots, man. Like, put the fries in the bag, fool. Like, what do we just do?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:34

Fries in the bag.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:36

Yeah, let's go gonzo, bruh. Bring back the old days.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:41

The old days. Yeah. You got the VH.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:47

He knows two things.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:51

To have a story music video.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:54

Yo, yo, look, Bri, yo, we you all know Brian Pumper, right? Yeah, the multi-platinum recording artist. The multi-platinum recording. He's out of jail, by the way, but his shit was fucking funny. Like, I mean, I I used to watch that shit and laugh, yo. And but I heard that he uh he's a good one.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:13

He needs to do a porn podcast. That would be fucking hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:16

Yeah, my man had a they didn't. Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:18

We need some industry insider to talk about like who had the stinkiest cooch and who who's Adam 22 does some shit like that right now, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:28

Who? Adam 22. He does he puts porn stars on his platform. Yeah, and then he's a big one. I mean him and his wife got a pod. Yeah, they be banging his wife. I forgot.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:37

Yeah, he can't, he's he should call his pod King Cook.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:40

I think it is called King Cook. No, it's called Lena, Lena the Plug. It's her, it's her platform, but they be like randomly like uh What's that girl, Trisha Paytas?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:49

Didn't didn't wasn't she on there?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:51

The YouTuber turns ew that that with the big like she got a bigger head than me, that chick? Yeah, she looked like Miss Piggy. Yeah.

unknown 1:13:59

Oh man.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:00

Yeah, that's the one who used to be. She do a podcast with the uh H3H3 guy, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:06

Cosplay.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:07

Yeah, she was on uh she she's been on a podcast with a bunch of people.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:10

Yeah, she I don't know how she got famous. How did she become famous? What's her what was her shtick that got her famous? Getting shticked. Getting shticked, dropping the panties. No, she's not attractive, bro. I mean not attractive to me.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:24

To me. One thing I learned from Zachy like Nickaporno. If you've never heard of that movie, it's a Judd Apatile comedy. I remember that.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:31

That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:33

I didn't remember. He said something in that movie that it he was ahead of his time when he was all like, it was Craig Robinson, I believe, helping him produce the porn. And he was like, dude, anybody will watch anybody fuck. Okay, he said, look, I'm not physically attracted to Rosie O'Donnell, but if I knew there was a porn video of Rosie O'Donnell out there, I gotta see it. And I was like, without realizing that, I was like, Y'all motherfuckers dependent only fans. If your neighbor, even if you couldn't stand them, because I know fuck my neighbor, but like if it was a video of her getting real or her doing a solo, a solo, kind of gotta, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:19

I don't want to see that like flick the bean, yeah. Flick the bean, and what the fuck does that even mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:26

You don't know what solo content is?

SPEAKER_03 1:15:27

No, he just says flick the bean. You don't know what flick the bean is?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:30

Is that like a white person thing?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:32

No, it's definitely white. Uh the first time I ever heard it was a white person, but I we all know what it means, unless you don't know what the clitoris is, and otherwise a bean, yeah. We ain't talking about the Chicago sculpture, fool. We call it a clitoris.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:48

No one calls it that. I except the doctor. You're like, I'm the doctor. Hey, hey lover, let me let me go down and touch your clitoris. Yeah, because that's sexy. That's sexy, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:01

Whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:02

Yeah, you good.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:05

I'll help produce it and we'll see how far it goes before you guys. Oh, this can oh, this can go crazy. If real sex happened, okay, let me put it to you this way. No, but everybody's like interview people. No, it's like it's like these people who think they go. I'm just gonna talk crazy on the internet and get clout. It doesn't work that way. It worked for Chella until he got going to jail, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:28

But it was but it wasn't, but it wasn't for talking crazy, though.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:31

Yes, it was. He shot somebody when he's talking crazy. I thought he tried to murder somebody, yeah. Because he told the dude said the dude assaulted him because he was talking crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:42

Yeah, but he he had been talking crazy, also like that was his content. Yeah, I know that, but still he got a bag, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:49

No, he wasn't making that much money. Oh, he but yeah, he got a bail fund that he can't touch. They're saying this they're trying to take that away from but Donald became president by talking crazy. I mean, you can't these are the these are your examples of good of good examples. No, no, no, it's not a good or a bad thing they good. One of the 34 count felon who just happens to be president and is fucking twice about to destroy our country, or on the verge of, and the other guy is some racist who runs around Tennessee or wherever, fucking calling everybody N-words and and and chimping out, which yo, chimping out is like the fucking greatest. Uh uh, yo, that is when I heard that for the first time, I was like, yo, that's funny as fuck.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:31

That's why, like, that's why racism doesn't get to me. Because I'm not about to lie, when I first heard him say, like, chimp out in word, I was like, bro, I would have laughed, bro. That's hilarious, brother.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:40

Like, I mean, it depends on the context, and that you know, he's he's I mean, the way he was doing it wasn't like from a trolling perspective or whatever, he was like really like threatening people. I feel like that's something where you gotta be careful. Some people were I wouldn't say threaten, I would say baiting. Baiting and threatening, it's the same thing to me in that situation.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:57

Like if somebody with the car with four other angry white dudes saying, 'chimp out' that's a threat. If a dude is backing away from me saying, Do something, chimp out, chimp out. I'm like, you're baiting me, brother. Nice try. Good.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:12

I said, Oh, yeah, you're recording.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:14

Okay, cool. Oh, that that's that's the that's the kicker right there. You're recording, and then you gotta look like a bitch on camera talking about you let that man told you to chimping out and and digging this and that.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:24

But see, as a person of color, bruh, you already know it's an L because if you if you whip his ass, you're going to prison, and that's just like them, the usual suspects. The homeboy going away.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:34

Yo, look, it might be worth it. The one dude he got shot. No, it's never worth it. He's gonna he yo, the charges will probably be dropped by the state, and Chud's going to jail. Maybe I hope. I would hope. But look how much you got.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:46

I'd rather, I'd rather have a group of internet randoms scratch their armpits and go unga bunger because I walked away than have to fight a case, bro. Like, I'm not about to give that man a satisfaction. And then, like, Chubb's gonna go to prison, be surrounded by neo-Nazis who won't either applaud him or indoctrinate him into the court, he'll be alright. Yeah, he's gonna be alright. It's too many neo-Nazis in jail unless they put him in gym pop with a bunch of chimps for real.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:12

Oh, they will be. Oh, the guards are gonna be fucking if they're black, them guards are gonna have some night sticks ready. Talking about some glizzies, being them big black glizzies up there.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:24

Ain't nothing preparing you for prison. Nothing.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:28

I got I was I was in lockup for one night by myself, and I almost killed myself. I cried. Man, they looked at you, they said, Oh man, they go to my hands. No, I was I was in I wasn't in a holding cell by myself. I told this story on the pod once. Yeah, yeah, we know. Oh, Drew wasn't around for that one. No, not when I was snitching, no. Um when I was no, I got arrested for a traffic.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:51

That's when you called your sister and shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:53

Yeah, she had to bail me out, but they they like they locked me up overnight, and um, they didn't have the right size jumpsuit for me. I was in this orange shit, like the sleeves were all the way up to here. This man, it was like this man was like Chris Rock. It was like a smedium. I couldn't even be mad at it. Yeah, like you had to like like button up in the back. I couldn't even button it up, but it's so small. And then you know, they gave me the like peanut butter jelly sandwich. It was fucking, I just cried. I was like, I had a reflective moment. I sat there, I went to college, graduated, you know, four and a half years it took me. Fucking job driving an Audi A6. I'm driving an Audi A6, all this shit. I had a nice little car, dressed like all this. I I'm sitting in a whole in jail over stupid traffic. They wouldn't even tell me why. I I missed the court date for a ticket, right? That I paid. I paid the ticket, but I missed the court date, so they had to warrant out five arrests for like a year. They 3 a.m. they just pulled me over, put me in handcuffs for no good reason, leave my car on the side of the road, holding cell, and then I go to the the judge, and they uh this is what they did. They the judge was not having a good day because he had to drive from um where'd he come from? He came from Baltimore to um Calvert County. So you know where Calvert is, right? So relative to Baltimore, so you're talking about maybe an hour and a half drive, right? And he didn't want to do it because he's standing for another judge. He was having a bad day. The bailiff goes to me, just don't say anything nice. He'll probably just give you, you know, the 10% whatever, so you don't have to do a bail bond or whatever. And I'm like, what are you talking about? I didn't do nothing. And he's like, just don't say anything, just listen to the judge. So I'm up there pleading my case, like yo, I didn't do nothing. I'm a college graduate, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he's looking at me like, I'm having a bad fuck you, $3,000 bond. So I had to cut my sister had to go to a bail bondsman and put that out, get the money from them and put it down. The guy, a guy that was there, a three-time felon, got caught up in some fucking shoplifting shit. Was like, hey judge, blah, blah, blah. Gave that guy $200 bond or whatever. I mean, not bond, whatever the fuck it was. You know, you have to pay 10% of the bail. So he's like, Oh, yeah, like a thousand two thousand dollars. He put a full bond on me that I had to bring the whole thing to court. I couldn't just give him two hundred dollars and leave. This man was like, Man, I'm a pro I'm uh I graduated from Penn State. I drive an audio. I'm one of the good ones, please. I said that shit, and I was even you remember talking about the snitching. I told him I'm a snitch too. I was like, yo, I cooperate.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:29

The fuck?

SPEAKER_03 1:22:30

I'm on the watch. Yo, yo, going to jail, all that shit. I'm so happy I'm a civilian. I mean, like this look, I believe in the street code, and if I was in the streets, I'd be living like that, but I'm not in the streets, so I'm snitching. I always said Pharrell said that shit on a podcast once. He's like, I ain't no damn streets. I'm telling. Like, I am telling, come on. You telling too, right? I know all of you were telling. You don't know some bullshit if you ain't fucking liar.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:56

I've been in situations where I could have told nah, bruh. But it's different. The consequences is worse. I'm from Southeast, so the consequences are worse.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:03

I get it, but also if you're not involved in or see criminality happening or asked to do like you have to be adjacent to the criminality happening. Like somebody tried to murder me for no good reason, right? So I'm in court fighting for my life saying, Yeah, that's the guy that shot me. I'm not snitching. Oh, I own terrorists. These motherfuckers made it. Yo, this guy, this guy had a had a had a um a lawyer that made it look like yo, he took a picture from my MySpace page where I was wearing a black bandana on my face. Made it, he's like, Why are you wearing a black bandana? Are you a vice lord or some shit? I was like, What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't even know what a I'm like, what? He's like, Are you in a gang? Because you were shooting back. I was like, I didn't even have a gun. What are you talking about? I was shooting back at the guy. They didn't even, yo, when they was yo, the guy shot at me. They made it, they they came in the court saying I was like, I know, but they were they make it seem like he was defending himself. Um they tainted the jerk because this guy was. I told, I think I told y'all, this guy was like a drug dealer or whatever. Well, Nikari knows the story, but the guy was like a a drug dealer who was stalking my sister, and she didn't even know he told me, yeah. Yeah, I told you that story too. But yo, bro tried to kill me because I was like standing up for my sister and and shoved them, and we almost got in a fist fight, and he followed me home and air holed my car. Yo, dog. I didn't get hit one. God, oh God, I love you. I love you. All praise is due to Allah because I should be dead right now with that shit, yo. That motherfucker shot my car the fuck up. And I I should and I was bigger back then, I was about a hundred pounds heavier. And I yo, I was driving a Range Rover. So, Drew, you ever drive a Range Rover? Range bro, yes. Okay, so old school Range Rover, the butt the lunchbox looking ones, the steering wheel was not very adjustable, so you could bring the seat back, and it but it's the the the back is high. So I was big. So I was like this all the time in that car, you know, no matter how far I pulled the seat back. So there's no very little space here, whatever. And and dude shot right through my driver's side door. All my windows were broken out. I didn't get hit with one bullet. I was like, yo, uh divine intervention, yo. All praise is due to Allah. That's all I gotta say.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:24

Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:25

Humdu Allah. I don't even care. Yo.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:30

Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:31

Yeah. What did the Jews say? Well, it was said praise God quote. How do you say praise God in Jewish?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:38

Uh Adonoi.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:40

Um Adonoi in Jewish.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:42

Adonoi. Doesn't even make sense. How do you speak in Jewish?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:48

Yiddish or whatever. Hebrew. Yiddish is like European Jewish, like, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:56

Yeah, like my grandma. I learned I used to be able to understand Yiddish because my grandmother didn't speak a lot of English, but um Yiddish is yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:07

Why do European Jews deny the uh the true Israelites, the black Hebrew Israelites? Why do they deny them, the European Jews? I thought we're all they're all supposed to be brothers.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:19

What do you mean they deny them? Where in the Old Testament, where in the Torah does it say we deny them?

SPEAKER_03 1:26:24

I mean that I'm talking about the um the Zionists. The Zionists.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:30

Any extreme group believes what they want to find.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:34

Askenazi Jewish people, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:36

Yeah, I yo, I am not an expert by any means. I know more about Christianity than I do about Jewish.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:41

You don't even like Jewish food, yo.

unknown 1:26:43

It's sad.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:44

He likes bagels, though.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:45

Yeah, I do. What's there not to like?

SPEAKER_03 1:26:49

It's good, it's a good calorie. It's a dense piece of bread, but it's so versatile, yo. You make sandwiches.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:56

It's like a Philly soft pretzel, man. There's just nothing better than a fresh hot bagel and a Philly soft pretzel.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:02

You know what? I would say, you know, I'm a soft pretzel aficionado. New York has fallen off when it comes to the soft pretzel. I ain't gonna lie.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:10

There is no better soft pretzel than in Philly. I had to go over it.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:14

Are you talking about street books or where?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:15

Like ones from like a where back in the day, there used to be the dirty fucking homeless guy with the shopping cart selling freaking soft pretzels in brown paper bags, and you would literally drive all we I say that affectionately. I don't think they were homeless, they just looked dirty. The unhomed you bought food from a dirty person. I wouldn't Yeah, man. Back then you didn't give a shit. We drank from the fucking hose, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:41

I mean, like the water, depending on where you lived, yeah, drinking from the hose is a thing, and it's fine. But buying dirt food from a dirty person, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:50

My mom that they was the back in the day street vendor before they were like like bubbles, some bubbles from the wire, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:58

Remember, you used to sell from the cart. Sold like condoms and soft pretzels, apparently. This was just soft pretzels, no condoms, no no flowers, it's just straight up soft pretzels. Shout out to the man on the side of the row selling the flowers. He's selling the fresh white teas. I wonder how many of those flowers they actually sell. I mean, there's always somebody like, oh shit, I forgot Mother's Day. Oh shit, uh, it's my anniversary. Then we go grab a flower or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:21

Yo, I'll tell you what, at the college graduation yesterday, there was a guy with a cart on the campus selling flowers. I was like, genius.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:28

How much was he?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:28

How much was he charging? I didn't even ask.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:31

They rape you for money. Like, how much was a bottle of water? Did you get a bottle of water?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:37

No. They didn't serve refreshments at the graduation.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:41

Oh, because I went to I just went to a graduation, I think it was last year or two years ago. It was at a stadium.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:46

Yeah, this isn't in Arizona State or something like that. Much smaller school. ASUS.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:51

Yeah, and they had yo, they they they were charging eight dollars for a bottle of Dasani.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:56

That's that's market, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:58

I went to big, it wasn't it wasn't a big bottle, it was the regular freaking dollar amount.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:05

Um at Capital One Arena. Oh and they were selling beverages, bottled sodas, like seven bucks. I was with a homie, and he was like, Man, how much for a Mountain Dew? He was like, seven dollars. He's like, shit, you out of your mind. It's a bottle of soda. So he thought he was gonna get a one-up on him. I'll take a water instead. He goes, Cool. $7.50. He was like, they know people like pour it in my hand.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:32

Yeah, yeah. Yo, bro, welcome to America. Yeah, we got that's no wonder he was eating fucking crackhead fucking soft pretzels. It's cheaper. It's probably cheaper than getting it from the corner store or the arena. Oh my god. Stadium food, arena food. It's a setup. This is like yo, that yo, honestly. Wait, going back to sneakers, eh? No sneakers. I just I was scrolling through complex hypies, uh uh just the brick by after bricks, and and then the Travis Scott's.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:05

That's really the the the big releases, and those mellows.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:10

Stop. Uh oh, wait, here is something. This came out May 15th. The greatest dunks of all time. This is on complex. Let's just let's do a we haven't we haven't done one of these in a while, a critique of a list. I know that list about to be trash. It's it came out a couple days ago. So let's see.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:28

All right, so you got what the dunks.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:30

Wait, I'm still scrolling. Number 30. Slams. I mean, this thing's cool. I've seen these before. I'll magnify that a little bit. 2005. I think this is the only reason this is on here is because it's rare, right? That's all that shit's rare.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:49

I'm about to say all that is about to be a big factor because these are all like sea crystals, classic.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:54

That's dope. I fucking be mad as they came out with a patent leather one a few years ago to look just like this.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:00

I know what's funny about this though. Everyone hates a Jordan 1 low and loves a uh back, you know, prefers a Jordan 1 high. Everyone hates a dunk high SP Dunk High and loves the low. It's completely bad.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:14

There's very few dunk highs that like resonate, like carpet dunk highs, uh the sea crystals, uh Brian Anderson's. But yeah, everyone prefers Dunk Lows. The London Shadow London.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:30

I don't remember. This is not my era. I didn't grow up during these times.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:33

Chocolates, man. That's that's a grail.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:37

I like those.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:39

Chocolate skate company's been around a few.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:41

Stores.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:42

Okay, hold up. Complex, I might adjust y'all so harshly.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:46

Although I think the chocolate being that low in the list is interesting. I'll be curious as we get higher up. I mean, I don't think Travis Scott should be on. No, I don't think that recent.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:57

I think I think people will appreciate it more in the next 10 years, five, ten years. As because they there hasn't been in the 2020s, there's there hasn't been dunks that are good with the storytelling or the design or whatever. This was great.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:09

No, I mean, like as thought after mouth just now the blue tile release had a great fucking story.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:15

Yeah, nobody likes that though. This thing here, this is the one. Nah, isn't going cheap on the aftermarket?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:22

I have to go get a can't gauge a release just by resale only. Yeah, but you know what's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:27

You know what's crazy? This this shoe defined that. This is the first like dunk that yo, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:35

Let me stop you right there. Go ahead, just stop. Delete that 2020. Delete, delete this. Because whatever you was just about to say, first off, the past five entries on this list, shit on the take you just said, these are shoes that came out in 2005.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:52

I understand that. Yeah, but they weren't popular until Travis Scott started wearing dunk low. That's not true.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:58

That chocolate, that chocolate dunk low is probably 30 grand in resale market.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:03

Stop, H telling you, save yourself the Reddit and Instagram hate. Stop now.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:08

But how many people were actually buying that shoe?

SPEAKER_04 1:33:10

And and you know, hey, good point. You know how many people was actually buying that shoe? Travis Scott.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:17

Yeah, like I know Travis.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:19

No, that's what I just said. The reason why, like him wearing dunks, Virgil wearing dunks, um, whoever, like celebrities and stuff wearing them, ushered in an era of that popularity, as we all know. And that was like in 2020. I'll let you die on that hill. I don't agree. This collab pushed it over, and it's got dope. It's a dope, it's a dope shoe.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:40

I don't agree. I don't agree.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:44

Yeah, but I'm not yeah, but I'm so yeah, but people like me got into dunks because of looking at this shoe.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:49

Yeah, people like you who make up a small majority of yeah, ass take, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:54

Okay, but you know what? You gotta understand, you can't just see this is what this is what we call gatekeeping.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:59

Eddie does no, it's not, no, it's not. No, it's gatekeeping. You're reverse gatekeeping. You're saying none of that other shit mattered until I never said that. That's complete bullshit. I never said that.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:09

I said in 2020 it revived. Like, I mean, it made me look like that. You didn't say that. Let me rephrase it. Maybe yes, yeah. You didn't say that. No, no, you took me. No, no. I understand there is a marketplace of people who collect dunks and shit and in the sneaker community, and this goes back to 2000 or whatever the fuck. Drew here was collecting all that shit, right? I'm talking about like in 2020, the revival of shit, where regular dunks and and uh and and retro dunks and all that shit. Not red, I mean retro regular dunks, not SB dunks, whatever, like where dunks just became like a thing. This particular shoe kind of ushered that in as far as popularity in the mainstream, as far as the collab and the story, all that shit. People are like, oh shit, SB. I fucked up. Okay, wrong. Oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:56

But you guys just that's a spicy take, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:59

I'm just saying take, but it's also a lot of people mad at you for that one. I'm not care. I just know that a newbie like myself this is because of COVID. COVID brain, yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:11

COVID collectors went crazy collab because the resale spiked.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:16

So if Virgil, look, if Travis Scott and Virgil do not embrace the dunk so much, this collab. Let me let me help you right here, bro. And it'll be more appreciated as as as years go by.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:26

Let me let me help you as a revival dunk. Let me help your ass take me a little less ass. If you want to talk about a shoe that started the dunk revival, chunky dunkies. At least say something like that. Chunky Dunkies had motherfuckers going actually crazy from casuals to SB heads. How many fake chunky dunky special boxes are on people's backgrounds right now? Okay, when did that come out after Travis Scott? It don't matter if it came out slightly before, slightly after. It was way more culturally relevant than Travis Dunks.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:03

I mean, yes, but also the this was very mainstream. I'm talking, see, more people know what chunky dunkies are than those, promise you. I I I don't know. Promise. I don't even know, like, if if you're into sneakers, but I think I think if you're talking about something that kind of stays with the the skater, whatever, and design it's has the tear away, has all the things that make SB Dunk collabs and or SB Dunk Special all in one shoe right here. And Travis Scott got the help design it or whatever the fuck. Not to say that now, like look, a lot of these shoes, like like, come on, like seriously, like this shit, come on. They've they re-released this, like, I mean, in a similar color palette, like 15 times already.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:53

Bro, uh just admitted to wrong my internet might just go out.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:56

No, it's admitted wrong, but I'm not saying an SB as a regular dunk in that color. Like, I could probably find one that has that green or whatever the fuck in that gray or whatever, and the black bro, bro. I don't even know what the goalposts is. Now, mind you, mind you, I don't this okay, okay. I'm just I just have a particular view on that. I'm just saying, yeah, keep it going.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:18

Let let's let's see what else we can we can talk about controversially with you.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:23

Yeah, blue lobster. That's cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:26

Fire.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:26

Beautiful shoe. These are beautiful shoes. Great storytelling behind them, too. This joint's fire. Yeah, I want a pair of those. I wear that shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:37

I wasn't a big fan of the denim.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:43

Ray guns. You got these, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:37:45

I have the OG.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:47

I got the air raid ray guns. Number 20, chunky donkeys.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:57

I will say the chunky donkeys are absolute garbage. Some of the worst materials. They are such garbage. They really are.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:05

Oh overrated, overrated.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:07

Okay. It's a cool shoe, though. I wouldn't wear it though. See, these, see, this is where we're going with this. See, dunks, since they don't retro them, and most of them are torn up to trash. The ones that I don't know where this came from or what the story is behind this zoo mixtape, super, whatever. I don't know. Whatever the story is behind it, it's it's probably great. Matt Welty wrote this. He put this on this list. This is fucking bullshit. Looks like a Nick's colorway. That's all that is. You get that on a regular dunk. But it's not my favorite SP. It ranks higher than Travis Scott and ranks higher than your chunky dunkie.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:54

Don't say my chunky donkey like I like the sheet. This is fire.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:59

The Huff? You got the Huff?

SPEAKER_01 1:39:00

I don't have that now. I don't know. No, you did.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:01

You had some shit that looked like this. Rest in peace, Keith Huff Nagel. Wasn't he just oh no, I was about to buy the red ones from you, but you won't.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:08

The skunks were fire, and then the reverse skunk is even.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:12

I like this one. Wait, didn't you have like oh you stopped me from buying them when it was cheap? Here we go again.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:21

You stopped yourself. You need to stop buying dumb shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:24

These are kind of dope.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:26

Hunters are nice. Doom actually. I like this.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:30

But that wasn't yeah. I mean, good luck finding a good pair.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:36

Get them restored. This is some dead stock. The Daylas.

unknown 1:39:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:42

The highs and the one.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:43

In retrospect, it's a lot of decent dunk highs that I forgot all about.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:46

Jedi's man, I that's a pair I've been chasing forever. Trying to find a uh one that's you know affordable in good condition.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:54

Nike, go ahead and take these colorways and put them on the Nike SB Air Force One. What do we got? Easy layup.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:03

These two's, I love these two. It's one of my favorites.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:14

Unattainable. Um Freddie Cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:18

To me, this shoe should not be on the list at all.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:21

Yeah, it didn't come out.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:22

Shouldn't be on the list at all.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:23

Unreleased. There's so many fake ones out there that that are being.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:27

It's just to me, this shouldn't it it shouldn't be on the list. It's just stupid. The Heineken shouldn't be on the Heineken.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:33

What?

SPEAKER_01 1:40:34

Did that come out? Well, I thought this never came out. I'm pretty sure they released the Heineken's.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:40

Oh no, that was the um Newport joints I'm thinking of.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:43

Well, that's a bootleg.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:44

I know. I'm just thinking like they're yeah, I know the story in my head. Yeah, um Supreme Stars. Okay, um, this is up to the phone. But not that colorway. Yo, the lows are better. They should just put the pack on there. The lows are better. Yeah, the high. This is if they put the orange highs, the orange highs. You're crazy, bro. The lows are better, bro. The ones that came out a few years ago are way better. I know. I have almost all of them except for the highs got the better colorways. The what the here. This is cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:15

I mean, that's that's the grail. Every every SB head wants that fucking pair of shoes. I don't care what you say.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:22

Yeah. I wonder if somebody actually skated this though.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:26

Like, yeah, because SBs sat, like they were not coveted. Like, you could walk into any skate shop and they'd be on discount. That's what I'm saying. That's a good one.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:39

Travis Scott changed the pool.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:41

No, that's not shut up.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:42

You got this joint, right? Uncles?

SPEAKER_01 1:41:44

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:45

I thought you said oh, this is like your grands.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:47

That's one of my girls. I just think it's like John. John has that joint. Oh, yeah, he showed me. I can't spend that kind of money on that shoe. And finding them with the coloring still like bright and vivid, it's really hard.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:59

Same with the Paris. Yeah, Paris and Loose.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:02

It's a good picture. Stapleton. Oh, fucking. There you go. There it is. Jeffrey Stapleton. I'm glad it's not number one. What do you think number one is? I'm trying to think.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:17

Like, this is tough. I have no clue. This is a weird list.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:20

Was it Viotech? No, Viotech was a regular dunk, right? That would be number one. I like the Viotech though. Um shit. I can't think. Who would be number one?

SPEAKER_00 1:42:31

Honestly, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:34

We wait, we all gotta give a guess. It's the complex uh top 25 dunks of all time. Um each of one of us gives their their their go into it. I don't know either.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:51

Oh no. Well staple not being number one, damn. I don't know. Because I thought they was gonna glaze that one. It's I'm out.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:58

I'm thinking it's gonna be it would be an interesting choice if it was like diamond supply or oh shit, diamonds and Tiffany. I'm thinking Tiffany. Tiffany Dunk.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:09

Yep, Tiffany Dunk. Yep, diamond supply, Tiffany Dunk. That wouldn't be.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:14

Well he wrote it. Yeah, he probably wouldn't. Yeah, that wouldn't be my spot. Uh I just, I mean, I have the highs.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:22

I just it's it's Paris or there's it's so subjective. Maybe the Supreme. I'm at the top ten.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:32

Or or me, the chocolate is definitely in the top ten. Like, that's just such a rare shoe.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:40

I mean, rarity doesn't mean that it's yeah, but it's covered.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:44

Like, that's a that it was just a cool shoe with the collab. Yeah, but it was a collab with a skate company. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:51

Yeah, see, this is the thing, yo. Like, people, what I'm trying to tell y'all, and I know you're saying, Oh, you're fucking stupid because you said that the thing with in this new era, and this is why this is on this list. This was the only one on here that was made after 2010 for the most part, besides the chunky donkey. And the chunky dunkey, I know came out after this. I hope.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:12

No, it did. I I think that came out in February, and the chunky dunkey came out in May. So they both came out in 2020, just months ago.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:20

Yeah, so 09 is like the young, it's the youngest one besides those, I think. 09. There's nothing on here.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:26

No, they didn't even put the supreme.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:27

No, I'm saying youngest, youngest. This came out, yeah. Um, but they didn't even put the supreme lows on here or anything like that. That should have been on this list. No, there's a lot of yeah, the high to me isn't as good as the low. I and I look, that's when I got into dunks and stuff. Like when those were yeah, so you're biased. I'm glad you're 20. I'm not biased, I'm just realistic. Yeah, you are. You literally are.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:48

This era when I got into dunks, you're buying unattainable.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:51

This is unattainable.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:52

No, it's not, it wasn't unattainable if you could buy for the most part. You came to the party late, bro. It's okay. Okay, I'm not saying that case, I don't want these shoes.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:01

You did though, but you did come to the party. I'm not gonna blow this thing. What is it, a thousand bucks? I'm not blowing a pink and brown like Drew said, take aftermarket out of it, bruh. You snuffing aftermarket shoes. I'm just saying, if they put out a regular dunk that was this color palette, I would wear that proudly and say, I got this color. I like, okay? This this pink and brown. I love that. And I think I have one that looks like this, that's old suede or something that I haven't worn yet. Now I'm gonna go look for it. But it's it's it came out in 2023 or 24 or some shit. And it's a regular. Well, I'm not paying that for that shoe. And if they retroed it, okay, I'll pay the 150, 200 bucks, whatever the fuck it is. But what is the point you're trying to make? My point is is that these are at this point in time, these are art pieces. Like, yes, they're unattainable, they're hard, they're they're there's they're sought after, and they're ranked very high on these lists. But to the novice, to the person who's like, hey, I just like shoes or a shoe or whatever, they're not chasing after these types of things now, like the newer sneaker people. They're looking at like obviously like Retro Jordan still and all that stuff. Dunks, they have they they can go up and down, they have their time in the culture. Right now, they're out. Nobody gives a fuck about any of this shit besides people who actually like dunks. And most of those people who actually like dunks are older sneaker guys that look at this stuff like, oh my god, I wish I can get it. Like John will go buy a ratty ass pair of these and wear it just for the nostalgia and the the the the getting it, and he's done that, right? He said he bought something recently. Remember, he said the shit was all fucked up and he paid like $400 for it.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:44

I got like three percent battery left.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:46

So, like, okay, what's what we get? My point is let's rap because I'm shitting I'm not shitting on dunks by any means.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:54

You could shit on dunks all you want. I don't know, that's your opinion.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:57

I love dunks you could shit on this.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:58

You could you could your take is just wrong.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:02

Yeah, it's just I don't think it is because the of course you don't because you made it, but it's an ass take. I'm saying that the Travis Scott, and I from a cultural standpoint, when it comes to dunks, revive the feeling of dunks being sought after regular ones or whatever. There was a point, wasn't there a point like in the opening?

SPEAKER_04 1:47:21

Right before the 20s H is a new booty sneaker head, and the hype only came back because Travis's name was attached. That's the 12 hub before the 30th episode. I'm glad y'all stuck around.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:31

Before the 20s.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:32

That's TLDR. No, I heard it mattered to me until Travis said straight up on him.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:36

Right before the 2010s, wasn't there a moment in the dunk? Well, you guys tell me. Well, 2018.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:43

2018 SBs kind of resurged. Well, yeah, there was a Virginia.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:49

Yeah, Virgil was taking pictures wearing like regular dunks and dunks.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:53

Your buddy dunks. Your buddy Travis Scott. No, your buddy, Jeff Staple, oh, released the panda pigeon and then reignited things.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:06

What the fuck are you talking about? Prove me wrong. So wait, what diamond supply? This is the number one dunk game. Okay, wait, what is diamond supply?

SPEAKER_04 1:48:14

I love y'all. Ass take. Thanks for 50. But I'm still gonna be here.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:21

Let me see. Okay, this came out in 2005. All right, pigeons came out in 2005. So I think there and I'm correct me if I'm wrong, there was a window in time where maybe it was 05 or to 07, maybe, where dunks were like popping. No, because the weapon came out then.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:42

But the weapon was dunks coveted like that back then.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:46

But you didn't you don't think they took advantage of like diamond supply or whatever, whatever. Like, look at this. This is when 2008. This is when the lobsters came out. These are these were going for thousands because they were so rapidly.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:00

Back then, there was no resale back then, dude. They didn't have resale.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:04

People were they were reselling these for a lot of money, not for thousands. I think they were going for thousands. I think somebody was paying uh upwards of five. There was not the same resale. Well, yeah, because at look, scarcity breeds you know, makes uh makes it makes it more expensive.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:25

Like if you're the SB game was different back then.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:28

I just I don't know, I wasn't there. My that's my opinion. These came out in 2010. When they only they only made what uh uh 420 of these, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:49:37

I think so. I don't know if they did only 420. They usually don't release numbers on SBs to be honest.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:43

These were numbered, weren't they numbered, or was that the red pair?

SPEAKER_01 1:49:46

Uh might have been the reverse.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:48

The reverse one whatever they're all but these look, these are great shoes. I don't know about this one though. This soup, I mean the story behind us has something, but like the ones now, they make they've made really good. Dump the last few years.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:01

You're actually right. I I they were numbered, so I I am incorrect. So they only did drop the reverse scump, but both versions were limited.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:12

Yeah. So I did my I do my research when I when I'm interested in something because I like that shoe. I also like the lobsters, but I don't know what's unattainable, so I'm never gonna buy it. I'll just look at it. This is attainable, came out in 2020. But this this this to me, this is what my point, and while eat the cari gets back to give me my my hot take.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:28

And we gotta wrap soon, dude. I I I got I got some shit to do. Yeah, we all do. I got some shit to do too. Uh yeah, but I don't stay up till four in the morning like you, because I gotta get up at five to get to work by six. Damn, you said get to work.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:43

Those are the few ever since I've known you, I haven't heard that shit come out of your mouth. Yeah, that's wild. Working man. You put a hard hat on this shit too.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:54

Yeah, I got a hard hat and a jock strap. That's all I wear. A hard hat and a jock strap. Getting pegged. Just getting pegged all day. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:03

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:05

I understand what you're saying, but I just I think I I think I don't know. I have a I have I just this whole Travis Scott fucking phenomenon is just annoying.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:16

I know it's annoying, but I also feel like at that time, this is the pinnacle. Like he just dropped the Jordan 1s. This collab, and then he had the Air Force One with the same, same like you know, palette or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:29

I just tell you the Panda Pigeon, I think what came out in late 2018, 2019. That kind of kicked things off. How many of the how many of those did they make? I actually don't know. Look the stample. I don't know how many they made.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:47

I'll I'll say this again. I don't want, you know, if Kari comes back in and talks his shit, I don't care. The only reason Jeff Staple is relevant. Actually, I'll wait for him to say that. I'm just gonna say it because I think it's the only reason he's relevant. Because the even the pigeon dunk, it's not I mean he could slap a pigeon on any of these dunks. Look, look, if they if they slapped a pigeon on this shit, I don't even know what this is. This is the weakest dunk on here. I don't even know why it's on this n this list. I know maybe there's a story behind it. They slapped a pigeon on here and they made ten of them? Like they made of those things? Yeah, it'll be twenty thousand dollars and kids would be fucking ripping ripping their hair out to go get it. Scarcity. That's it. That's it. That guy has fucking been sucking the blood out of that fucking dunk for 20 years now.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:48

Hey, he's been able to ride that wave.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:50

Yeah, it's sad though.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:53

Is it?

SPEAKER_03 1:52:54

Travis Scott.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:55

You could say the same about Travis Scott.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:57

I don't give a fuck. He's putting out shoes every fucking day, man. He's got his own, bro. Come on.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:04

He's got a clothing line.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:07

Come on, bro. You're the only one.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:09

No one's buying it.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:10

Yeah, you. Nobody else is buying that shit. Nobody else. I'm not saying nobody's buying it. No, I'm gonna take that back. People buy the shit. Good for them. You like the stuff you buy, but it is not Supreme. It is not Palace. It is not any name, any other random skate brand that you you could imagine. It's not that. He knows how to market. He's a good marketer. I'll give him that much.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:36

But yeah, but he's a dick. I will I will agree with you. Like no, he is a dick. Like his social media lately is a is it's just he's being a dickhead. Like actually poking fun at the community.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:48

Yeah, because he's they're calling him out for being a fraud. They're starting to see and understand that yo, bro, the only reason people went crazy for that shoe is because Nike did some good marketing behind it. They made 25 fucking pairs or whatever, and everybody just went crazy because they had no clue. It's it's represented New York at the time. He got to be able to do the design, and he's been milking that for 20 fucking years, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:54:14

Yeah, but it was also pretty shitty.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:15

It was pretty shitty of him to throw those fake fucking pigeons over the why you know why because because he couldn't sell a brook shoe, he couldn't sell any more fucking um, he couldn't sell um any of that bullshit apparel and shit that he makes. So he needed to do some kind of stunt to make some shit happen so people pay attention to. No, we're talking about Jeff Staple.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:41

He shouldn't have come back.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:42

We no, because we're talking about stable. No, let me let me uh I'll go I'm gonna go back to the dunk. This this is what I'll say about this, and then we'll get back to Jeff. Uh the only reason I mentioned this as needing to be higher on the list because it uh ushered in a new era, or maybe the only era of when dunks were very so popular uh culturally, meaning where it crossed over, it got people like me into them. I never bought I bought dunks at Marshalls and wore them as beaters, like like I bought I bought them to match flannels, like because I used to put like some of these dunks that were just random or dunks or or SBs, whatever, in at Marshalls. And I just I bought a couple that matched some flannels, and flannels were the shit in like the 2010s. That was it, like it just is just a shoe. They were comfortable, whatever. That's the only reason I bought them back then. And then when I got into sneakers, it's probably like the only thing I buy now, as as far as like a retro that I really enjoy wearing and like the storytelling around. And they've done, I think Nike has done a good job at least the last two or three years of putting together great stories with these skated companies and all that. Um, to put out these shoes. People just aren't feeling them now because they're not popular. But that that that that that time between 2020 and 2023.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:01

Yeah, resale culture. This is a resale culture shoe.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:04

Uh but uh okay. Uh the resale culture is there, yes, but the popularity of the shoe and people wanting them to wear them and be the guy wearing this thing, talking about that story made it. It's it's no different. People the resale culture did exist when people were buying, people used to do it differently. They they meet up or they be on eBay selling shit. You're still paying a premium for something that you want, whether it's a KD or some kind of rare dunk, like the lobster dunks. You can't tell me that somebody wasn't playing uh or or somebody wasn't charging four or five X for it to an SB head that wanted to pay that. You can't tell me they weren't doing that, even though they were sitting. People were paying premiums for the shit because they were only at the one skate shop, or they were only on the the exclusive drop at Nike or whatever. Like that shit. This is 2009, a concepts. This came out of concepts, right? There was only like a few thousand pairs. Five, let's just say there was five thousand pairs of these shits, only 200, limited 200. It even says it right there 200 fucking pairs. It's a great shoe, great story, all that shit. The packaging was ridiculous. I want that shoe. I ain't paying five grand for it, neither are you or him. Yeah, this might be the worst take you've ever had on the show. Okay, but see, but you guys are living in like this weird bubble again.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:18

No, you're the one living in the weird bubble, nigga. We see the whole perspective. You only see 2020 on down. You're the fucking weirdo, bruh. That's like saying Jordan ones. I'm not that's like look at Jordan 1's, right? You trying to say Travis made the dunks relevant because before that, outside of that golden era that y'all remember with Rose Tinder glasses, I was getting them at Marshall's, bruh. Not all dunks are equal. Them shitty ass Marshall Journey dunks was never gonna be it because they was at Marshall and Journeys. That's like saying look at the fragment Jordan one. So I'm gonna go to that point. Fragment is arguably the reason Jordan 1s start getting crazy in the popular culture again because they went nuts. Everybody wanted them.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:02

Oh, the royal one? The royal one that they made? Yeah, the first ever fragment. I thought it was when Kanye and Jay-Z were wearing ones a lot, they wear the band ones a lot.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:10

Yeah, they they was that was cool 2016 and all that shit. But 2018 when the fragments dropped, it was also at the time when Hypebeast culture was on the on the rise. But then that's like saying no other Jordan ones mattered, like that Kanye. You never said that. No, I'm not saying you did. Let me finish. We let you talk random bullshit for five minutes. That's like saying none of them Jordans previous to the fragment, the ones mattered. Because fragments the one that changed the course. Like saying none of the other dunks had like this had staying power, it was only 2,000 five, 2009. It was only 200 pairs. Look, I get it. Travis, anything he touched at that point, let more casual people experience stuff that older people been into. I get it. I ain't gatekeeping. I'm glad people love dunks. But like this whole Travis is the storytelling godfather of dunks in America. I didn't say that.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:10

That's what you that's what you ditched. No, I said, I said, this is what I said. It ushered in that era of better storytelling around. Like, look, again, what about there was a period in time between maybe 2010 till 2020 where there was not amazing storytelling around the profitable storytelling.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:36

Okay there is still storytelling with their every SBs.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:41

There's a ton of dunks that came out.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:42

Give me the 2015 dunk, the 2015 dunk that you can remember that the Paul Bunyan dunk highs that teamed up with that skate shop.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:51

That Paul Bunyan with the I don't know. It didn't sell for a lot of money. It how it hit outless it dumb De Lasso Dunk Lowe's, the alternative to the highs. I know that one dunk highs, the alternative to the lows, and then there are various lows that came out that Nikki Diamond did after that. There's plenty of storytelling and SB culture. It just wasn't on every celebrity's feet, and it wasn't reselling on StockX for hundreds of dollars over the profit.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:17

That that Paul Bunyan dunk goes to like uh thousand dollars. That's dope. It's got like gold swoosh, that's fire.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:24

Storytelling. There's a story behind it. Paul Bunyan is a folklore legend. Yeah. So you saying Travis was the storytelling.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:34

I didn't say that. I did not say that. I said at that moment in time, because of the popularity and the storytelling that they put behind it about the Travis Scott collab, the colors. What is the storytelling? Brown? No, bandanas? His brand, like that Russian language. I forgot what it was.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:52

Did Travis Scott even wear bandanas anymore?

unknown 2:00:54

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:55

Was he wearing them at the time? I don't know. I didn't know nothing about no Paul Bunyan don't either. So I don't understand. Actually, good point.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:02

What's the story, bro? What's the story on these? It says here. Don't read it. What's the story? What's the story, bro? It says, kidnapped handicap. Oh, Travis Scott Doug, tear apart, bandana pattern, plaid overlay. I think it's just like his the way he was dressing back then. He was wearing cargoes and flannels a lot and all that shit. Like, and it went with his aesthetics.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:23

So some shit you just made up.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:25

I'm saying, I said I think that's what it was because it says Travis. We can admit traveling. It's based around Travis. It's true. It's hype, bro. It's just hype.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:35

It's okay. Ain't nothing wrong with that.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:36

Yeah, look up the Marty McFlies. Look up the Marty McFlies.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:40

I'm talking, like, look, there's pop culture and regular culture. And look, of the culture. I'm a music person, right? I could appreciate certain underground hip hop from New York that you probably never even heard of. You ever heard of Mike Zoot? Right? That's that's the dunk that you're talking about, the Paul Bunyan dunk. That's a rapper who could say, like, made classic records to a bunch of people who were like, yo, that's the motherfucker. He's better than Jay-Z because of X, Y, and Z and worship the guy. Like, I'm a big fan of this guy. I don't even know what he looks like. All I know is I got like 50 vinyl records of his doubles, because I used to DJ and I love getting doubles of everything. I bought every one of his motherfucker's records. I don't even know if the man's alive anymore, right? That's what these shoes are that you're talking about. An enthusiast would sit here and be like, yo, that's so coveted. I love that. You're talking about the couple of people. I'm not talking about hype about cultural relevance.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:29

You're talking about hype. You just admit it this other rapper could be better than the more popular rapper. But the other rapper in question, Jay-Z, that you mentioned, is the more popular. The hype we get you, but he's accessible. He's on the radio.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:45

Okay, so but what happened when okay? This shoe that's in front of us right now is arguably a very rare dunk, right? Yeah. From from from like it's been out for five, six years now, and you know, pairs have been worn, there's not many in circulation, you know, resellers are selling for high premiums, whatever. So as time goes on, it'll keep getting more expensive or whatever, and then there's more lore and and and whatever around it. Now you think about the era, like, there's so many dunks out there, right? That you said, like the Paul Bunions and the whatever, whatever, and all these those things, yes, they're rare because, like we said, motherfuckers skated on them and and motherfuckers let them let them rot in the closet. Motherfuckers, you know, they've been bought and resold and worn again and all this other shit, and they were lit limited. Like dunks were not like made, they didn't make 500,000 pairs of dunks, right? There was maybe what Drew, like you, you like stock numbers on dunks on on like a Paul Bunny. What would it be?

SPEAKER_01 2:03:37

Five years, they didn't really they didn't really release stock numbers, so it's hard to say.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:42

You could safely assume it was less than 20,000 pairs globally, because like skate shops would get them, right? These weren't on Nike. Okay, in our era, they're making because of this Travis Scott hype and and Virgil wearing these shits, fucking 25,000, 30,000 pairs, releasing them on Nike sneakers. Again, coming up with collabs that that tell stories and they do a lot of good marketing around some of these stories. Not all of them sell out anymore, but there was a time where an SB dunk and a regular dunk were going for three, four hundred dollars. The panda dunk, piece of plastic shoe, was going for like four hundred dollars because everybody was going crazy over this silhouette because of Travis Scott, okay, and celebrities wearing it. I'm not gonna just that's that's my point. Like this shoe.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:33

I'm gonna let you flame out on this one, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:35

Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:37

Now I don't even get with the point you're gonna do.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:38

I'm saying from a cultural relevance, larger picture culture, meaning pop culture, whatever. This is relevant.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:45

Travis said something that already existed that had a cultural following. He wore it because he's a celebrity and an icon, and it drew a lot of hype to it.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:54

Like me and just say, it drew a lot of new people who became dunking, just like this fucking pop.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:59

No, you they're not dunk enthusiasts, they saw something either profitable or don't do that, don't do that, don't do that.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:05

Don't do that. You're gatekeeping. Don't tell the truth. That's gatekeeping. Don't tell gatekeeping.

SPEAKER_04 2:05:09

How the fuck am I gatekeeping? I'm not trying to get the game. You're not dunk enthusiasts. You're not a gatekeeping. You're telling me I'm not a enthusiastic. No, I'm not. See, there you go. No one said that. Drew, did I say that? Drew, did I did I lessen the value of anybody that got into dunks in 2020? No. You're saying this started this era of storytelling. The point I'm not gonna do.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:28

No, I didn't say that.

SPEAKER_04 2:05:30

Yes, you did.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:31

I said that you actually said that out of your mouth, though. I said the storytelling behind this shoe, plus the fact that it's attached to Travis Scott, helped rip like brought out like dunks to the general populace to say, oh, he is dope. He made them hype. Where am I arguing that against you? That's all you're saying the same shit I'm saying. But we the time time has not been like we've had dunks come out in the last five years, they've increased stock numbers, they made them more general releases. There's stories behind some of these things, and as time holds, the culture has changed. I no, I think that the culture has not so much changed. This is more people tied to these things that are new to the culture. Like, I appreciate the story of the riot dunk, even though it's only going for $150 or retail. It's a dope shoe, it's got a dope story behind it, it's representative of that skate shop and whatever, that football dunk that we that we that that's going for under retail right now. So those are shoes I love. And they're I'm not saying they're hype or anything like that. That that made these shoes to people who are into dunks culturally relevant. I wasn't into dunks or understood the dunk culture or skate culture or any of that shit. I like it now because of these people, the Virgil Abloh, the the Travis Scott, or whatever were saying, hey sneaker people, look at this. This is what we're gonna do. It's not just about Jordans, it's not that we can make this shit fire. Everybody bought into it. Yes, some people just made it a fad and left, but people like me stuck behind and still buy dunks to this day, even more so than I did when they were hype. And I I buy a dunk whenever it releases, this is just as long as I like the colors on it. That's me. That's that's that I am now what Drew was 20 years ago or 40 years ago. What does that have to do with placing on this list? I'm saying it should be ranked higher. That's just my opinion. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:26

I like I said, the Travis Scott wouldn't make my my top see.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:30

Here's the thing, bro. If you would have started, if you would have started your whole time rate by saying, I feel that the Travis Scott should be higher on the list because it ushered in a new wave of dunk appreciation, bro. That's what a that's what I said. That's what I said. You said that the longest way, and that's not how you start it, fam. Because you did you guys just start no, you cut me off.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:51

You're like, oh, you fucking said that cut you off right there.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:56

It's just it's story. Rewind it and put a clip. You actually said from your maw that you refused to use on your wife, apparently, that it started dunk storytelling, bruh. And I'm I didn't say it started dunk storytelling.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:13

I think you did.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:15

You did. We wouldn't have we wouldn't even say that, man. Yeah, okay. You said that you might have misspoke. Now you can admit that you misspoke. And if you admit, I definitely misspoke, yeah. That's what I said.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:26

I mean, you were saying that was a crazy started cutting me off before I even got a point out. Because you were like, oh, this because we didn't want you to say something stupid.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:33

Step in the city, we didn't want you. We didn't want you to put your foot in your mouth like you ended up doing anyway.

unknown 2:08:38

I didn't put my foot in my mouth.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:39

I may have it, bro.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:41

You put both sides twelve in that game, right?

SPEAKER_03 2:08:44

Now going back to this piece of shit here. This could this shoe, right? Is it's now I don't like I can respect it being number two because of the story behind it. And don't call it a piece of shit. Just admit you don't like Jeff Staple. I don't like Jeff Staple, that's why I call it a piece of shit. Yeah, I'm about to say, but the shoe was fine. The shoe is fine, exactly. It's not fine. It's it's it's overrated. He made the shoe overrated. So let me get this straight.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:10

It's okay, Travis, who some people could argue is overrated, had people going crazy and resurgence of the dunk hype, but just because you personally don't like Jeff Staple, you diminished the impact that this shoe had.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:22

No, he he did it to himself. Drew was we were just talking about before you came back. By throwing the fake one on the on the thing, talking crazy on social media.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:31

Recently, recently, recently recently, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:34

Because the popularity and hype of this shoe, before you figured out was fake, the whole world was going crazy at the possibility of a okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:42

Like Futura has put out many dunks that are sought after.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:45

This shoe was a movement, man. This moved the culture in a direction. I don't care what you say. This shoe has cultural relevance. Exactly. Wow, the shoe has cultural relevance, futura dunks. None of the none of that. The flomped comparing it to the flom or the futura, right?

SPEAKER_03 2:10:04

It did not come out before those. Yes, it did. Yes, it did. You're crazy, bro. Supreme, not even Supreme, like this this Supreme dunk. That's fucking that's 2002. Okay, but like Supreme was a small skate shop in comparison to Heineken dunk to what it is now. Uh, let me see. No, that came out in 2004. It came out a year before this shoe. And that's this that's it going for like a hundred grand. Look at, but look at the availability of it, bro. Look how it was released. Oh, I know. It was very it was like friends and family only, right? This was this was pretty much friends and family. What'd they make? Nah, I wasn't had an official skate shop release. Five five thousand pairs then or wait or a thousand pairs. I'm guessing stock numbers. No, I think they no, he said he said it was a thousand like a thousand pairs or something. I'm about to say you're shitty at it, brother. You're not gonna get it.

SPEAKER_01 2:10:49

I don't even know.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:49

I don't well either way, look, whether it's one thousand or five thousand, it's it's it's it's sought after, yes. But also, again, the man lucked up and they picked him to design the shoe that represented New Yorkers.

SPEAKER_04 2:11:01

Well, we not see here's the thing about you that get me with this shoe that like they don't piss me off, but it's low-key annoying. No one is saying Jeff Staple is a master of design or he plays 4D chess. We saying this shoe got he does play 4D chess, yeah. And he he kings your ass every time. The point is yes, but he's king the shit out of you with keep this man out of his fucking out your mouth, bruh. Let this man go, fam. You like Drake coming out with Iceman two years later, still talking about this fucking guy, bruh. The culture has joined you, they're shitting on him as well. Take your W and go the fuck home. But you're not gonna diminish the fact that this shoe went bananas, bruh. It did, but he's ruining that by putting it on the city. Who cares? See, you never just know how to put a period. You always gotta add a comma to shit. Yeah, you gotta just keep dragging shit on. You gotta release three albums at once. That's you, bruh. Mm-hmm. Gotta feed the people, they want to hear more of it. One song and go about your goddamn day.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:00

Yeah, we're gonna release three podcasts this week. You know that, yeah, bruh.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:04

Exactly. Yo, we're gonna call the trilogy.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:06

If if I could if I could get any guests, watch his music and sneakers, motherfucker.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:11

If I could watch his music guests on this show, it'll be Jeff Staple, bro. Because I just want to get him talk, bro.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:16

DM that motherfucker. Let's have him. I just know I'm gonna DM him. Yeah, you DM him. You just said, yo, send him a picture of the shit you bought. Maybe he'll write you back. And he'll be like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_04 2:12:25

I just want him to ask. I just want him to be like, bro, what's your beef with me, man? I have no beef. Bro, cap. I think he's a fraud.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:32

That's all. I have no beef. That's beef, yo. Look, I look, you're a representation of what you are on social of your personality on social media, and he is just grasping at straws to stay relevant, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 2:12:45

He's rage based. People say he does rage based.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:48

Yeah, and that's like see here's the thing though. If if you was coming out with all this shit after he did that stupid stunt, you have some. But I feel like before that, the just the just hate was it was like reverse glaze, and it was just so unwarranted, bro.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:03

Reverse glaze? There's no such thing as reverse. There's this glazing and hating. I think I'm a hater, yes.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:08

Yeah, no, your hating goes to the point where like it's almost like an admiration. That's hence the reverse glaze. I don't I don't like you're an unshiny donut, bro.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:17

You know where I lost it with this guy?

SPEAKER_04 2:13:19

You're a bagel, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:20

When I lost I lost it on this guy when he did that fucking marketing bullshit in that self-driving car.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:25

Like that shit was so that shit annoyed the fuck out of me.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:29

I had no problem. I don't I avoided just I can't relive it.

SPEAKER_01 2:13:33

I can't relive this again.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:34

You was on that pod when I did that.

SPEAKER_01 2:13:36

I can't, I don't want to relive it again. We were all there. Is that before you? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:40

That was like one of your first times on the show. Yeah, is that like your yeah, it was like one of the first times. Because I kept making the joke that you was jealous that you didn't have a self-driving job. Oh, and I started slamming the table. I was like, sitting the stupid hats and shit. I was like, and you was trying to argue that his stuff is fire. I'm like the Brooks Brooks brothers fucking shit. No, none of that shit is fucking fire. Fuck out of here. Do you have any of that shit? I didn't say it was fire to me. Oh, get the fuck out of here. See, that's the problem. If it's not fire to you, then it's not fire.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:09

That's fucking bullshit. It's not bullshit. Just because I don't buy something that mean it didn't sell out. That's fucking bullshit. It's it's available. Go get it. Wait, fire, go get it. Buy a pair right now for retail. Do it right now. Go find me a pair right now for retail. Fuck it. Do it for no look it up. You be stopping on dumbass sites all the time on the show. Waiting for a pair for retail. Go on stockx. Look up a pair for retail. You can't. Yo, you know why? Do it.

SPEAKER_03 2:14:38

Okay. Do it. Stop moving the goalposts. Go get me a pair for retail. No, no, no, no. Go get me a pair for retail. I'm gonna go on stock X. What's the name of one of his fucking shoes? What's the name of his Brooks pigeon?

SPEAKER_04 2:14:53

No, I'm looking, I'm looking at these hippies and shit. Look it up.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:00

Okay, here we go. Pigeon. There's a bunch of them. Uh let me say Brooks. Oh, Jeff.

SPEAKER_04 2:15:06

Find it. Come on. Find it.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:08

Oh, his name's Jeff Staple? I thought it was Jeff Staples. You got Staples. Oh, look, oh, okay, here we go. 180. 179. How much is the Brooks show we was talking about? Which one? Stop all that bullshit. Adrenaline? Yep. That one? Yep. Last sale, 200 bucks. What's it, retail? 250 or something like that, probably? Shit, I gotta log in. Don't act like you don't know how StockX works. Find it. 175. Okay. 25. Oh, let's go.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:15:44

See, you can tell a person impressed that they think they got a W. I'm sorry. No, I got a No you don't.

SPEAKER_01 2:15:50

What are you winning? What did you just get a W on?

SPEAKER_04 2:15:54

I literally say if I didn't pair for retail because you said they're sitting. Somebody's what 70?

SPEAKER_03 2:15:59

Nobody's nobody's even bidding on the shit. Like nobody wants it.

SPEAKER_04 2:16:04

Nobody wants it. So once again, we on record that you were unrequired Jeff Stapleh that moves the goalposts.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:11

Can I tell you something? This was a looking up the women's pair. It's a limited, regardless. It's a limited regardless. You're moving the goalposts for the sake of your argument, man. No, I just I just 175. Here we go.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:25

You sales 250 last sale.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:27

250, 100, 250. It's like, bro, this is just regular ass resale. Thank you. 170. That's all I need to do. This is regular ass resale, bro. Thanks. Thanks.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:37

From a year ago.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:38

Yeah, thank you, bro. This is not a year ago. This is November. This is now, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:42

Of 25.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:44

Dog, look, okay, let's go back to when it look at when it started. You're talking about dog, it was under retail when it dropped.

SPEAKER_04 2:16:53

The point is it's gone. Where's the where go buy the pair now? Goalpost. You know what a goalpost is. The goalpost was it's sitting, don't nobody care. They all sold out, they're selling above retail now. Drew, you hear this shit? You hear this shit.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:13

I'm not agreeing with you. So who remember me?

SPEAKER_03 2:17:17

No, I'm not agreeing with you. A parry a size 11 and a half went for 140 when this shit dropped. Months ago. You could just get it. Now that people have been mowing their lawn in this piece of shit, you wait a month ago, one sold for 333 bucks. Oh my god. I sold an error just for $250. A few months ago, this shit was selling for $350.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:42

You're not helping your argument. You laugh.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:46

I am. Dude, if somebody really wants something, they're gonna pay whatever premium they want to pay. Oh, if somebody really wants something. Okay, but but nobody wants these though. Okay, oh yeah, because they're yeah, they're moving so fast. They're selling two every two to five every month. Like there's so many. And it's not even this is a rare shoe. This they only made like a few thousand of these, right? Okay, less than less, definitely less than five thousand. I know that. Yeah, okay. I know that for sure. He even said it, he brags about how rare his collabs are. Okay. So you're telling me something that has less than 5,000 units out there sells five or six every month under retail at some points, or actually after it dropped it sold under retail. Remember, I'm still trying to figure out what punch is trying to do.

SPEAKER_04 2:18:28

Who's arguing that, bruh? No one's arguing that. Yeah, you say you told me that the fucking thing is that you're gonna do shooting selling out. And it's you could get it cheap everywhere, and you can't.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:40

Yes, you can. They are on stock extra cheap. I bet you if I put a bid in right now, do it.

SPEAKER_04 2:18:44

Do it, do it. Buying this shit.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:46

No, I'm not buying anything to prove you're full of shit. No, no, no. You can always cancel the bid. Do it. No, you can't just can't not on stock ass. They put it right through, and that shit is in the mailbox when it hits. Yeah, not stock ass. On on and if you do it on gold, go. I'm not doing it on gold.

SPEAKER_04 2:19:00

You do it. Because you're full of shit.

SPEAKER_03 2:19:01

You shouldn't go buy it.

SPEAKER_04 2:19:02

I didn't say I like it. Once again, I hate this game. No one said I like you.

SPEAKER_03 2:19:07

I hate you so fucking I hate you so fucking much right now. You are a horrible human. You know how to pick. Uh it's like you're picking a scab out of my eye, right? Death Staple pisses me the fuck. I'm looking for this motherfucker and his aura so fucking much. You're trolling for him. I am 100% more. I check your Venmo. He sent you $100 to do this. I hate you. I hate that. Matter of fact, Death Staple send me some money, man. I hate speakers right now because of this motherfucker. I hate it. I just don't understand what's your like it's. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I don't know. It's just something about the dude. When I saw him in that car driving around talking that bullshit, it just made my brain melt. Okay, but here's the thing. Here's the thing with me. I can't stand the motherfucker.

SPEAKER_04 2:19:54

I I'm not mad that you hate Jeff, bro. I'm getting you glazing the motherfucker out. I just don't get why you can't like you tell Drew about Kanye, separate art from artists and not recognize, man, them pigeons went crazy in the street.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:12

Pigeons are dope. I would no, I'd proudly take a pair of those and resell them. I wouldn't wear it because I'm not that the it's a boring to me. It's just a a the dunk with a pigeon on it, right? And the black one's a black dunk with a pigeon on it. And then see, I get it, bro. And and I hear you. You get sick of seeing pigeons on crawl. No, no, I'm not. I like the yo, honestly, I do like the logo. I think it's a fire ass like representation of New York and culture. New York culture and shit. Did we lose him? Yeah. But let's rap, man.

SPEAKER_01 2:20:42

He is uh you're gonna have a fucking stroke.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:45

I am having a stroke. My blood pressure is really high.

SPEAKER_01 2:20:47

Kari, if I die tonight, not no, that's not Kari's fault. Don't say don't even say that.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:54

It's oh yeah, it's yours and Jeff Staples' fault if I die tonight. No, it's if I have a stroke, it's my fault if you die. If you don't hear from me the next few days and I shock out, it's not funny.

SPEAKER_00 2:21:04

Don't even say that's a dead in the hospital.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:05

It's you and Jeff Staples' fault. I'm gonna send you a book of Jeff Staples. This is much like trying to say, go buy the shoe. Like, I'm gonna ask you.

SPEAKER_01 2:21:12

Yeah, we'll have everyone show up to your funeral and fucking pigeons, Brooks and buy a pair of those shoes and tell your wife, Hey, H always wanted to wear these.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:23

Yeah, do that. The thing, yo, the thing, and then Jeff Staples. If you ever see this, it's nothing personal.

SPEAKER_01 2:21:28

I just don't like the fuck out of here. Nothing personal. You should just end this shit on that.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:35

It's nothing personal, but I think your guts you know, there's AI things I don't like. So I'll just talk shit about the AI person or whatever. Jeff Staples is a huge proponent of AI, I think.

SPEAKER_04 2:21:44

Yeah, I I think I think, dude, he no, no, not even abortion. I think he is, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:48

But look, look, I'm just saying, point proven, uh at least you can't you cannot tell me that this guy I know the culture hash it again.

SPEAKER_01 2:21:57

We get it.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:58

Not gonna hear this.

SPEAKER_04 2:21:58

I want to hear now that he's calm and let me hear your take.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:01

You cannot tell me that what he's doing, and you know, uh Drew will call it rage baiting or whatever. I call it marketing. He's marketing himself as this counter-culture.

SPEAKER_01 2:22:13

Rage baiting is a form of marketing today, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:16

But no, but it's he's he's putting himself out there as this counter-culture, like, oh, the art is what matters, not the the way you get the art. That's bullshit when it comes to he knows this. There's a reason why there was a riot for your stupid shoe, because it was rare. It had a the the Nike commissioned you to do the shoe for New York when they did this pack. Like, there's a reason why you there was a riot for it, and that goes all within the the thing that made you culturally relevant. Honestly, if he never got that collab, his skate shop would have closed down, his pigeon bullshit would have been gone within five years, to be honest with you. He drove this wave, mind you, smart decisions, great, great thing to keep it going for so many years, putting out things, doing interviews, doing all the nine, but he never recreated that magic ever again. He tried it, he did it with the black one, right? It came out or whatever. Yeah, it's sought after, but that came out what in 2017, right? How many of those were made? I don't even know. Look, look, look, honestly, rarity, right rarity makes makes if they if they said if you really wanted to capitalize on this, hey, okay, I'm gonna make a second one. It's gonna be black and there's gonna be 20,000 pairs. That shit wouldn't have popped. Wouldn't have popped.

SPEAKER_04 2:23:28

Hey, look here, brother. I'm not here to argue that. He's rolled this pigeon.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:32

No, he's fancy fell off. My thing. I hope people make it to this point where I'm actually giving them props for being a brilliant scammer.

SPEAKER_04 2:23:40

Yeah, boom. I I'm glad we can we can agree on that. He's rolled the pigeon to the wings fell off. My thing is Shu still went crazy. Whether you like the guy, it could have been, it could have been the staple, it could have been, it could have been Danny Super, it could have been I shall wear. I'm just saying, whether because it was limited or because of the mount, it went crazy and it ushered in this collective frenzy behind ducks. It is the Charizard of SB Duncan. There's a million and one Pokemon better than Charizard, bro. But Charizard is the one that the mom's gonna go, oh, I know that one. That's the Pokemans. That's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:24

I've been to I like Pikachu.

SPEAKER_04 2:24:26

Oh, see, Pikachu would be the Travis Scott. Exactly. All the people know Travis Scott, just like all the people.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:32

I'm not into Pokemon, but I know Pikachu.

SPEAKER_04 2:24:34

Exactly. Might not be in the dope, but I know them Travis's because my son won them.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:39

That's all I'm saying. And that's that's cultural relevance. That's what you gotta do.

SPEAKER_01 2:24:46

Oh, no, no, I'm I'm out. Not all chopping it up. I got that.

SPEAKER_04 2:24:51

He done got a good 245, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:53

Oh, yeah, that was a long ass fight. I thought I thought we're gonna be on him for an hour. Drew.

SPEAKER_04 2:24:56

That's because that's gonna be targooning. Yeah, I can't get it.

SPEAKER_01 2:25:01

It's a good combo, man. I just it was a good combo.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:03

I love it. You're gonna play with your well, you can play with your coffee beans. No, I'm gonna go get pegged. That's what you need. You need to play with that. That's a clip right there. You say the crazy like if I put that clip out, I bet you could text me. Yo, dog, why? Come on, take that down.

SPEAKER_01 2:25:23

Whatever. I've I get flame no matter what. I mean, seriously.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:28

You don't get flame. I think I think you just I told you, you're just a little insecure about it. You're not you gotta be built for this, Drew. We take the shits. We take the shit I take it. No, you gotta hear the way they talk though. You go on Reddit, the way they talk about us on Reddit? Yeah, they fucking hate us. They hate, they hate they hate, they don't hate you.

SPEAKER_01 2:25:47

I never hate it. Oh my god, my hat? They're like, oh, they're gonna be a little bit more. What the fuck is wrong with you? Why are you wear your fucking hat like that, you fucking retard? Sorry, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:57

Yeah, why do you wear that?

SPEAKER_01 2:25:59

Okay, I've been wearing my hat this way. Since I was a kid, man. This this is skate and snowboard culture for me. You gotta be less sensitive.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:11

You gotta be less sensitive. Stop telling me that. That's common sensitive. I'm always yo, I tiptoe around talking to you because you always like lately. I don't know if you're on edge or something. Like, yo, I can't say certain things to you, man, because you can start explaining that.

SPEAKER_01 2:26:24

It's you, it's the way you talk to people.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:27

How do I talk to people?

SPEAKER_01 2:26:28

It's not pleasant. I ain't getting into a therapy session with you, but something you say.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:35

Sorry, do I say unpleasant things?

SPEAKER_04 2:26:38

You gotta you you can ruffle some feathers, brother.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:41

Fuck y'all, man. Like, look, I can't you are confused. You did you ever heard of psychiatrists? There's no confusion, bro.

SPEAKER_01 2:26:49

No, sorry, I can't read the sarcastic font.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:52

If if if no in tech oh nine thousand nine thousand like yo, dog, nine million percent sarcasm. If I really gotta talk to you and say some shit, I will call you. All right, tell it to your face. I don't do that. You've never said that to me though. No, but how am I supposed to know the difference? Not come on, bro. You don't nine thousand percent of the things that you get offended over or or or raise a hubbub about are like not serious.

SPEAKER_01 2:27:15

I've raised a hubbub maybe three times via text, and it's like I've been instant three thousand times. I've been instant, it's been institutionalized in our relationship now.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:26

That's on you, not me.

SPEAKER_01 2:27:27

Because I have to typically none of these motherfuckers get all now. I'm offended. Now I'm gonna be sensitive. I'm gonna fucking bounce. I'm gonna go cry in the corner. I'm gonna go cut myself in the bathroom so I can feel something.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:39

See what he does. I didn't do nothing. I didn't say nothing. You are crazy, you're gonna burn cigarettes on your knuckles and shit. Stay in therapy.

SPEAKER_01 2:27:50

Stay in therapy, stay in therapy, bro. You need to work this shit out because if you can't see certain things, uh, but I don't understand what the fuck that even means.

SPEAKER_03 2:28:02

Like, you you I mean you haven't known me that long. Car known me for a few years. I always talk like this, and people my classes are I don't get offended by friends are like what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_01 2:28:11

When we talk in person, I don't know. No, but I'm sorry, I'll call you this car. But some shit you say over text is fucking offensive.

SPEAKER_04 2:28:18

I'm not gonna lie, I gotta remember who I'm talking to. Sometimes I'll read you a message, I'll be like, What do I say?

SPEAKER_03 2:28:24

I gotta go. You gotta point something out. Emphasize one of them texts I said. Next time, yeah. Next time that's what I'm gonna do. Cause I don't know. I know, I know when when Sean and I were arguing about politics and shit. I said some wild shit.

SPEAKER_04 2:28:37

Or sometimes I get up. Yeah, sometimes I'll get up, I'll scratch my nuts, and I'll look at my phone, and that shit say 56 new message. I'll be like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 2:28:46

That's Sean. You just you look like Octavian too. Octavian.

SPEAKER_01 2:28:49

No, dude, you do it to all of us. You rub our face, you you literally point the shit out, and then you're you tell us that it smells like shit, and then you're like, you gotta smell the shit. And then as you're smelling the shit, then you push your face, you push the person's face in the shit, and you just smear it all around. And then when you finally get clean, you start doing that shit again. You just don't let shit go, just let it go. You already won, and then you want to rub somebody's face in the what'd you say? Well, I don't want to say it again. I won. See, there it is. That's there it is. This is why you're a dickhead.

SPEAKER_04 2:29:28

But see, this one this one works in real life because I can tell right now you're being like funny, but in text bar, it's hard to tell.

SPEAKER_03 2:29:33

It is I'll just stop texting then.

SPEAKER_01 2:29:36

Um I'm taking my football and going home.

SPEAKER_03 2:29:40

You're taking this football, you're taking this, but uh you shouldn't take that seriously. I don't mean no. If I'm gonna say something horrible to any of you, why should I not take something seriously? I'll talk. I'm gonna call Satari on the phone. Like, I'll I I I've called, I've I'll call him to say something that if I'm feeling you know, if I feel somewhere. Sean uh Sean's been I've known him for 20 somehow yeah. We I'll call him like I will say that you you will pick up that phone, bro. I will if if it's that serious, like yo, you know. I called you like when you was not being consistent with the pie. I called you, remember? I called you. I was like, yo, if you're gonna take this seriously, we had a good talk about it, right? And now he's right back to not taking it seriously. And I'm like, I'm about to call you again.

SPEAKER_00 2:30:19

I'm out.

SPEAKER_01 2:30:20

I'm out. I'm gonna go lick my wound. I yo, I have no beef with you. I got no every don't do it.

SPEAKER_00 2:30:30

I got no beef. I if I got beef with you, I'll call you out on it.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:34

But you know, I mean, uh my problem is is like Drew, you specifically because I don't know you as well. I don't know you, I know your I know your personality in a sense, and you're that's why I say you're a little sensitive. I'm sorry. I I I get I'm sensitive too, very sensitive.

SPEAKER_01 2:30:46

What have I said that I've been complete I've been extremely consistent about when you come from a life of abuse, you hear things in an abusive way and it triggers you. So you're automatically feeling like it's abusive. So I don't like feeling that way. So yes, I do react in a toxic person either flat.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:09

Not all I'm a toxic person. No, I mean that's fine. You can feel that way, and that's why I tiptoe you. You all have toxic traits. No, but I also understand that certain people, if it triggers you, I don't want to trigger you. I want you to hug me. But that's I want to want love here, Drew. I want us all to be friends. I don't want to sit here and trigger you. I'm not gonna trigger. No, I'm serious. I'm being I sound sarcastic.

SPEAKER_01 2:31:30

I don't want you to no, but I also don't want people to tiptoe around. You asked me a question, I answered your question. I'm not asking you to do anything different. If I want you to do something different, I'll ask you.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:39

It's about respecting boundaries. Do you want to say I try to respect boundaries? And I don't have stuff malicious. Have I not been better? Have I not been like you could carry you?

SPEAKER_01 2:31:51

Should we get on the couch?

SPEAKER_03 2:31:52

You want to have a little notebook and like I'm saying ever since we've had this, we've had the like on text, on we talked about on the phone. I said, Okay, boom. Have I not been better? You have there are there are many moments. I could go into the text just from today where I could have I could have jumped right in on you. There's a couple of text messages from today.

SPEAKER_01 2:32:12

That doesn't help, dude. But you're not helping.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:15

I'm just saying, I don't understand. I could have reverted to the guy.

SPEAKER_01 2:32:19

I'm a dick person too. Well, I can also be a dick.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:22

Yes, but again, like now that we know that boundary or that boundary, I am I I am more careful about the way I talk to certain people. I understand how to talk to Kari. Like he will go, he will jump out the way, he will, he will suck off Jeff Staples just to piss me off. See? But he knows that it's a joke, he doesn't take it seriously. We don't take it that seriously. But like some people, I get it.

SPEAKER_04 2:32:45

But like I I give myself a little more credit because like I have trollish tendencies, like I'm sarcastic. Yeah, I'm I'm like terrible, bro. Like, I'm like, I need to see you cry because that shit not ain't particularly like I would draw tears out of it.

SPEAKER_03 2:33:03

He just I just was really mad a few minutes ago. Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_04 2:33:07

Y'all didn't notice, like my sister came downstairs, she was like, The fuck? I was like, you know, because at the end of the day, like like y'all notice in the comments, we'll do this, but if somebody come out of line be like, this motherfucker, watch who you talking to. That's my guy. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, but like, you know what I'm saying? I also had the benefit of the doubt. Besides that, I know H a little more. Like, I know you more. So it's like I can it's to the point that you're not.

SPEAKER_03 2:33:36

And we've never met Drew. I have not met him in person yet. We've never hung out. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. I've hung out.

SPEAKER_01 2:33:42

You are misrepresenting something here, not you, Kari. H I you're thinking that I'm taking something so offensively. I get upset about certain things you say, but I'm not like like extremely butthurt over. I'm not like fuck that dude, I'm never talking to him again.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:00

No, it hasn't gotten to that point yet.

SPEAKER_01 2:34:02

It will no, it wouldn't get to that point because I would address it before it ever got to that point.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:07

I addressed it though. I when you didn't address it, I addressed it.

SPEAKER_01 2:34:10

And you were like, Oh, sometimes people need some time to process information. Yeah. So if you're feeling a certain way and I'm not at that same point, sometimes you gotta meet me where I'm the room.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:21

I know how to read the room, and I will address it first because I do not Drew. I I I love you, I love your your wife, your AI wife, your your kid, your AI kid. I love all of y'all. You're a great wife. I'm messing with that. Yeah, it just doesn't think Catherine.

SPEAKER_00 2:34:37

It was a joke.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:37

No, she I met her, she is real, unless she's a robot, and then you're just space age there. But I love y'all, and I do not want to eventually look, I don't I appreciate it. Yeah, but that's that's the thing. Like all the people in my life, the wife, the the Kari, Sean, Sean and I totally we don't even talk about Trump no more because I gross both realize that, yeah. And it's not like we see, you know, he he might see some of my points and all that stuff, but we just turn back into our old selves, and it's great because I don't want to have these types of arguments, my friends, and like like Kari is probably one of the few people beside my best friend Kenny who can take smoke and and argue a point and not get to it, and he's been pissed at me before when we get into these things. This type of shit, he's probably the like the most thought.

SPEAKER_01 2:35:26

I just I just put that part of my life away a long time ago because that I lived that life for many, many years where everything was a fucking fight. Every you could not get me to back down.

SPEAKER_03 2:35:38

I know I I I don't I that if it's important to me, I will address it.

SPEAKER_01 2:35:43

And I I have no beef, there's no feeling or anything. Do you piss me off sometimes? Sure, I'm sure I'm pissing you off sometimes. It's just that's the way life works. I'm not unrealistic about it.

SPEAKER_03 2:35:55

Take it for what it is, though. It's just it's just we're just talking. It's not that deep.

SPEAKER_01 2:36:00

I don't take it. Take it deep. I see. There you go. Telling me how I feel is not helping. See, sensitive. I'm out. I gotta piss. I'm gonna literally piss my pants.

SPEAKER_03 2:36:12

And that has been another 12 hub piss podcast. 50 episodes. We've made it, and this has been the best 50th episode ever. This might I don't even think this might be one for the books. I think after I cut out all that crazy shit when y'all were talking about that weird session, you better cut out the therapy session if you're gonna cut out that's the therapy session. I think this is just like this is encompassing. Save it for Patreon. Patreon, you want to start a Patreon? We should start users. We should start a Patreon, even if it's like a free one. We should start a Patreon. I don't think we engage with our audience that well. I want to do we should get better.

SPEAKER_04 2:36:42

I do want to get better.

SPEAKER_03 2:36:43

I think we should try to get together a like an AMA. I think I might do an AMA on on Reddit and go so for that shit. Well, we got uh my uh my Weisswalker, they did an AMA. A ton of people left questions. You gotta answer them on Reddit first, though. Yeah, okay. I know, yeah, I'm not gonna. And then you go, yeah. So I think I we might do an AMA. I'll I'll get AI to write it for the script.

SPEAKER_04 2:37:08

Even if it's mostly like, why the fuck do y'all suck so much? I want all the questions.

SPEAKER_02 2:37:12

Yeah, well, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 2:37:13

Well, we don't have enough of a follow. I think they have an AMA Reddit page where you could post like a thing and you just ask people general knowledge stuff, like a uh like about you know, like this is a sneaker podcast. What is you know, what are your questions? Yeah, and then people ask those types of questions, you know, like you know, and and we I I'll put a lot of descriptors in there, like okay, so I haven't talked about it. You're a Gen Z, right? And uh um I'm millennial. Oh, you're millennial? Okay, yeah, barely. Barely. I'm millennial too. Oh, on the cut, I'm in between millennial and whatever, and this guy's a Gen X. I think there's a lot of like yeah, podcast. I'll I'll put something together. Uh um, but it uh yeah, that'll be great to do. Uh but this was a great 50.

SPEAKER_01 2:37:55

Good pod. I uh seriously, I gotta bounce. Yeah, you all can check. Good night, guys. Thanks.

SPEAKER_03 2:37:59

Oh no, it's in three hours. All right, good night, guys. Bye. Peace. Easy.